ok i was just looking at some old maps, canada car actually was accessed by the cn line along the canal by either little burgundy or lachine, never had a direct connection to the turcot yard, the raised st jacques interchange was built because the layout of the future 20 was known and the roads had to cross and at the same time they had to allow free access to st jacques (montreal toronto) the raising allowed the 3 track cn main to access the future no mans land between the 2 legs of the expressway. a little more digging finds that garfield garport is on former canada car property, as is the social aide building between them. according to this map, turcal/kruger were also former canada car properties

Yes, I knew about Kruger. You see where I was thinking that the whole deal (the land from de l'Eglise to Angrignon between Canal and Turcot)had to be the railroad at one time because with Canada Car over there it just made sense to think that the manufacturer's were part of the same deal. Do you think that Turcot did extend over there when Canada Car was active?

CD

Posted by Charlie_Dunver Yes, I knew about Kruger. You see where I was thinking that the whole deal (the land from de l'Eglise to Angrignon between Canal and Turcot)had to be the railroad at one time because with Canada Car over there it just made sense to think that the manufacturer's were part of the same deal. Do you think that Turcot did extend over there when Canada Car was active? CD

well canada car wasnt owned by the grand trunk though and had tracks leading to the cp and cn lines, i dont know about the turcot yards going that far as there are streetcar tracks in notre dame so notre dame has been there since at least the 50s, also garfield is west of angrignon not between de leglise and angrignon.canada car was like MLW just a division of its american parent and not owned by the railway, same as the old GE locomotive plant in lachine

right, good points. I guess I am thinking way back as Canada Car & Foundry does.
(I want to know what Turcot was like before any white man ever saw it! to tell ya the truth).

Here is a page you may already have seen,
http://www.avroland.ca/al-ccf.html

I find it interesting that all the old railroad documentation I have found always refers to the area as Turcot. They never say, for example, the Foundry in Montreal, it s usually the Turcot Plant - of course railroaders always call places by their "station name" or whatever was on the mile board, heh heh, as opposed to the actual name of the town or wherever.

CD

This is pretty interesting...

CANADA CAR CO., LIMITED, Turcot, Montreal, Que.

This company was incorporated in January 1905 with W.P. Coleman, president, and Sir Hugh Allan, vice-president. Its plant at Turcot, Montreal was completed in August 1905 and had a capacity of 7,500 freight cars and 150 passenger cars per year.

Even before the plant had opened, the company had taken orders for 12,000 freight cars and 250 passenger cars for the Grand Trunk and Grand Trunk Pacific Railways, delivery to begin in 1906, and the work to be distributed over the ensuing five years.

Equipping the Grand Trunk Pacific was a major undertaking, and more than half of the original freight cars of that road, and a large proportion of its passenger cars were built at the Canada Car Co.'s Turcot plant.

The Canada Car Co. at this period was 100% wood car plant, and it was not until after its amalgamation in 1909 as one of the units of Canadian Car & Foundry Co. that it engaged in steel car production, and even then only to a limited extent.

Being only about one mile removed from the plant of Dominion Car & Foundry Co., and connected to it by a private inter-plant railway, it was possible to build the steel underframe and other steelwork of cars at Dominion, and then ship the frames to the Turcot plant for the application of the woodwork.

The first such order handled was 1,500 steel underframe box cars for the Quebec, Montreal & Southern, which were started at Dominion and finished at Turcot. This took place even before the amalgamation of the two firms as units of Canadian Car & Foundry Co.

In addition to the heavy work for the Grand Trunk Pacific, the Canada Car Co. prior to amalgamation in Canadian Car & Foundry Co. in 1909 was able to take on several interesting other orders.

In 1906 they completed ten street cars for the Montreal Street Railway. They also built a very large number of Hart convertible ballast cars for the Hart-Otis Car Co., which held the patents and handled the sales on these cars.

In March 1906 they completed 30 steel underframe flat cars 61 feet long for the Grand Trunk Railway for use in special long timber service between Diver, Ont. and Sarnia.

In the passenger field they built three parlour-cafe cars for the Temiskaming & Northern Ontario Railway which were the first steel underframe passenger cars built in Canada. They also built four interesting wooden dining cars for the Canadian Northern Railway.

In 1909 this plant joined in the merger with Dominion Car & Foundry Co., Montreal, and Rhodes, Curry & Co., Amherst, N.S. under the name Canadian Car & Foundry Co. The history of further progress will be found under the name of that company.



Taken from this page here.

http://www.nakina.net/builders1.html#CCC

Lots of good info on early manufacturers in Canada.

CD

i know they also built busses at one point, another history bit i probably mentionned already but dont feel like re reading the thread, the turcot yard having been a lake was crucial in the construction of old montreal as logs were harvested in the virgin forests of NDG and slid down the escarpment to the lake and floated to old montreal, we white men sure destroyed nature

you know it!

Otter lake! I know an approximation for it but there are differing opinions. There is a little park named for it in Saint Henri...What on earth was at Turcot before the railroad?

A lake, a river, and a very nice view?

I havent checked many native sources yet but there is one guy who is affiliated with McGill and is involved with some West Island environmental groups who has written an interesting essay about how the natives had fully understood the sustainable approach to the environment that the "euros" are only beginning to get a clue about.

It s a bit of a long read but you can skim it and find some good stuff.
http://cbed.geog.m...otedInHeritage.pdf

The thing that got me was how he describes the distances the aboriginal people travelled. People coming from James Bay to Montreal to trade a thousand years before Cartier? Locals heading as far south as South America?

It is very fascinating, and ya know what? Probably very true!

Wow, we got a lot to learn, my friend.

CD

Posted by Charlie_Dunver you know it! Otter lake! I know an approximation for it but there are differing opinions. There is a little park named for it in Saint Henri...What on earth was at Turcot before the railroad? A lake, a river, and a very nice view? I havent checked many native sources yet but there is one guy who is affiliated with McGill and is involved with some West Island environmental groups who has written an interesting essay about how the natives had fully understood the sustainable approach to the environment that the "euros" are only beginning to get a clue about. It s a bit of a long read but you can skim it and find some good stuff. http://cbed.geog.m...otedInHeritage.pdf The thing that got me was how he describes the distances the aboriginal people travelled. People coming from James Bay to Montreal to trade a thousand years before Cartier? Locals heading as far south as South America? It is very fascinating, and ya know what? Probably very true! Wow, we got a lot to learn, my friend. CD

i agree as a white boy working on a native reserve i am realizeing how much of their traditional ways are based on respect of nature, when an animal was killed for food nothing was wasted and it was thanked for its gift etc. they saw themselves as part of the environment not above it like us