What do you think has the better performance/looks?Big american muscle or some imported hunk of plastic?personally I like big ol' american muscle like challengers,chargers,trans ams,firebirds,camaros,chevelles,corvettes,grand nationals,riverias,and such.

imported hunks of plastic all the way! But if my car is a hunk of plastic, why is it rusting so badly?

Both. Build a car that has a domestic engine and import body, or import engine and domestic body. Then see which parts crap out faster.

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Posted by Sinister Crayon BMW

you guys... i need to deprogram you all...

Why does it seem that Samurai is the only one on this thread that goes along me,all you other guys like (don't get me wrong),beemer's are cool,but I mean c'mon toyota's,mazda's,and all that other garbage?seriously...Scrap those ricers and get REAL AMERICAN MUSCLE!

Why did you ask domestic or import if you're just going to bitch out people that choose import and you're obviously biased towards domestic anyway?

I think your definition of ricer is severely flawed.

ok then.what's your definition of "Ricer"then?let's see if yours is any better...and let me add to that i wasn't how you say bitching out people for choosing import i was just voicing my opinion on them....I generally don't like them.so you don't have you don't have to get up in my face and fucking bitch at me,because you "thought"that I was "bitching out"people...

"but I mean c'mon toyota's,mazda's,and all that other garbage?seriously...Scrap those ricers and get REAL AMERICAN MUSCLE!"

There you're basically generalizing any import vehicle maker as "ricer" and telling people to get "REAL AMERICAN MUSCLE". That doesn't seem too much like an opinion. An opinion would be more like "Yah I really don't like imports, I enjoy domestic cars". I should excuse all this though cause I just noticed you're young, and I was totally like that when I was a kid.

Anyway heres a thing with pictures!

Ricer:



Not ricer:




Notice how the ricer is also a domestic car.

Nice,that looks to be a fast car,right 'ere!lolcool pics

The line between domestic and import has been completely blurred!!! You do realize that technically, according to definition, the Camry is a domestic! And your "American" muscle?!?!....well, the Camaro, Firebird, Mercury Marauder and many others weren't even "American" built!! They were built here in Canada!!

It really disappoints me to hear people, who call themselves "car people" to be so bigoted!! A true "car guy" can appreciate any type of vehicle...one way or the other. I have no problem with having opinions and favourites, that's what drives us all, but to be so closed minded is pretty shameful!!

I hate to get involved with this, but to me a RICER is mostly defined as this:

bone stock Civic, Sentra, Cavalier, Sunfire, SC1, SC2, Accord, Corolla, Camry, Supra, Mustang, Camaro, Firebird, etc... with an unpainted body kit, ENORMOUS fart cannon muffler, chopped springs (instead of the proper kit and offset adjustment), a spoiler that would look out of place on a Top Fuel Dragster, a ridiculous-sounding stereo (sourced at walmart and installed in his/her driveway), painted a ridiculous color and boasting badges of something they're not (ie "Type R", "SI", "SiR", "GTR", "RS", "SS", or decals of aftermarket parts they wish they had... my personal favorite being NISMO decals on a Honda or MUGEN decals on a Toyota.

Ricer is bad taste and trying to imitate a style.

NOW, if you've got 700hp under the hood to back up your bad taste, well, that automatically excludes you from the above definition.

I think what frosts and frustrates me the most is that i have been doing Domestic Front-wheel Drive performance since 1996 and have been racing compact cars since 1991. I started with a 1980 Ford Pinto with a Lima 2.3L OHC engine and was reasonably successful. At the dragstrip, even with my 91 Cavalier, my 88 Cavalier and my 98 Cavalier, i was reasonably successful against cars that had 'twice' the engine I had. Substance over style, kids. You can have a 68 Mustang and still be a ricer. You can be rocking a turd brown 85 Civic and not be... it's what's IN THE CAR that counrs.

I'm now driving a 2007 Chevrolet Cobalt SS/SC with a supercharged 2-liter DOHC engine... and STILL the domestics get no respect. We have a world class engine, a world class chassis and our build quality is the best that i have ever seen in the 12 years that I have been a GM enthusiast, and still we get slapped by these oversupreme fucktards about resale value??? What about the fact that my 21k Cobalt will walk a 33k Mustang on a road course? Or spank ass on just about every other car in it's class??? Resale value... blah.

Anyways, folks... seriously, the age of the musclecar has come and gone. Gas is pushing $4 a gallon here in my neck of the United States and to be honest, I have never seen points and condensers, and I have forgotten how to tune a Holley four-barrel. Give me fuel injection, forced-induction and small displacement as well as 30+mpg!
I had toyed with the idea of buying this 86 Camaro shell here in town and instead of putting the tried and true 350 V8 in it, I had spec'd out an LSF 2.0L Ecotec turbo for it complete with Solstice GXP/Sky Redline 5speed transmission for it. And the go beat on V8's.

To quote a favorite sticker: THE ONLY REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT IS TECHNOLOGY

wow, went a little offtopic with rice, but wanted to get back into the old school versus new school idea...

I have a Honda Passport. Its a rebadged Isuzu Rodeo (which Isuzu is owned by GM) and assembled in Indiana. Now, is it a domestic or Japaneses (or just fucked?)

VW FTW!

Posted by Stealthy666 What do you think has the better performance/looks?Big american muscle or some imported hunk of plastic?

Well, performancewise, i'd say imported hunks of plastic.
you know, like Ferarri, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Koenigsegg they definately have better performance. and you know what? i'd say they look better too

Posted by SoNaive Well, performancewise, i'd say imported hunks of plastic. you know, like Ferarri, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Koenigsegg they definately have better performance. and you know what? i'd say they look better too

this is just as bad as his statement... who honestly can afford these penis compensators?
Import or domestic is a misnomer now, perpetuated by all the rice-kids with their mothers' Accord.
Now, it's either your car goes or it don't go.

and there's nothing wrong with plastic parts.

yah...I like the lambo's and ferrai's(if i spelt that right)they're nice...those beasts have quite a bit of fucking horsepower power,

Posted by Stealthy666 yah...I like the lambo's and ferrai's(if i spelt that right)they're nice...those beasts have quite a bit of fucking horsepower power,

don't believe the hype... I remember when the 308 and 328 Ferrari came out... they were the Ford Escort of Ferraris.

Nowadays, a last generation Camaro or bottom wrung Corvette will show those cars tailights. And then, do we have to bring up the 924, 928 and 944 Porsche? Oh these cars were an embarassment, even moreso than that horrible SUV abortion they sell!!!

Sometimes, having just the name doesn't mean that they're all that and a bag o chocolate chip cookies.