I know that this isn't the place to blog, but fuck a duck I am upset. Shael and I went out for a ride tonight after she got done work and towards 2am, we ran across my friends coming home from Burlington. As I was driving the Lumina, I did the imperso-cop on my friend because he's paranoid about the fuzz. I had him at first and then he saw that it was me. Anyways, we sat in their driveway gabbing and it just occured to me how fucked up he has gotten.
Fucking drugs. I'm sick of them. You want to puff a bit of reefer, fine, but these fucking prescription pills suck. He's so addicted, it's like he's a walking cliche and then he's all woe is me and blah blah blah... makes me want to kidnap him, handcuff him to a tree in the middle of nowhere and detox his punk ass. I'm mad that's he so fucked up on this shit, i don't even know what to say. I'm pissed that his wife and baby son have to see this shit. I'm mad that he's so fucked up he does nothing but feel sorry for himself... I'm just mad. I don't even really know how to help other than the brute force methodology of detox. fucking oxys... I can't believe these things were even legal!

So, yeah, i'm fucking mad.

I can relate. I've got a good cold brewing in my chest and because of my past abuse/OD of prescription and OTC meds, I won't take a dayquil... not even a tylenol for a headache.

Currently, I'm dabbling with Coricidin Cough & Cold. It's main active ingredient (DXM) is a powerful psychedelic at high doses. Some people say it's like LSD, but since I've never been in a position to try it, I can't say for sure.

Drug addiction is powerful. I can't say I was physically addicted to pot when I smoked, but I was mentally addicted to the high. Life sucks, and it needs it's perks. People who don't have a lot going for them, like a steady enjoyable job, a stable family life, or a healthy relationship, drugs are a surefire way to make up for what's lacking.

Now that I can't smoke, due to probation, I've found 'legal' alternatives. It's a long road to recovery for some people. For me at least, it's little steps. Going from pot, which I could (but didn't) smoke every day illegally, to CCC's, which I have to be careful not to take too often, but is "legal."

Of course, now I'm getting addicted to the CCC's, but the way I see it, is it's a comprimise. I'm not doing obviously illegal things (pot) and I'm not killing myself ODing on OTCs and prescriptions. I've gone from a serious level, to a less serious level. It's steps, because cold turkey plain doesn't work with everyone.

I hope my rambling makes enough sense. Basically, if you see something wrong, do something about it. I had to do the steps all on my own after way too many OD attempts. Shed some light on your friend's problem, and try and give him what he needs, not what you or he wants.

Best of luck!

It's like I said last night Sam. You aren't going to make him do anything he doesn't want to. If you tie him to a tree and force him to detox, he'll just resent you and run right back to it when you let him loose.

It's honestly going to take a near death experience for him to stop. I mean that. It will take either him, his wife or his son nearly getting blown away by one of his druggie friends or worse.

You won't stop him unless he wants to be stopped and nothing you say will mean jack shit until something happens to make him see what he's doing to himself. I'm talking jail, gunshot or worse.

Shael

That's too bad about your buddy Sam. This subject hits hard with me also. A long time friend of mine is so hooked on Oxycontin that he can barley function anymore. I've watched him in the last 10 years go from one of the coolest guys I knew to a total ghost of a person. It's just sad, that's the only way I know how to put it.

I hear your song Sam; and agree with you 1000000%.

My (ex) husband was addicted to oxy's. Between the both of us, we made $150K a year, our house is paid off, yet we had NOTHING. He had a truck and a jet ski repossessed and our investment property (a tenament house) has been in foreclosure 3 times. It was nothing for him to spend $2K a month on pills.

He stole from me, cashed in jewelery, and even sold my motorcycle without telling me. Instead of paying the bank off to get the title, he blew the money and then the guy who bought the bike ended up taking him to court because he couldn't register it. And let me tell you, thats only a FEW instances.

Then he started dropping pills accidently here and there. We got guardianship of my niece and one day I was drying my hair and THANKFULLY she picked one up and handed it to me instead of eating it. That was it. I threw it in the rubbish and he practically jumped in after like a mad man. I watched this happening and knew then and there this was much bigger than the both of us to handle.

The next day I found a doctor who put him on the soboxone program. The doctor explained to me that you just can't stop taking oxy's once your addicted to him. You get dope sick just like you would on heroin. I was thankful to get him into the program but it didn't last long. A few months later I got a voice mail message that he had failed 6 drug tests and therefore was being kicked out of the soboxone program.

Those pills ruined his life and mine. They were a contributing factor in my divorce and put me in debt. The only thing I'm thankful for is that my little girl didn't eat that pill. I can't imagine what an Oxy-80 would do to a then 2 year old.

With my friend, it started slowly, just a perk here, an oxy there and now, he's the worlds worst dealer. He's been ripped off i don't know how many times. It really breaks my heart. I had a long talk with his wife a few months back and she doesn't know what to do. What's worse, is he has a twin brother who is in just as bad a shape only with him, not only is it oxys, but crack as well. He went from being a little plump (not fat, just you know, a happy healthy size) to being a scarecrow. His fucking clothes are hanging off of him. It's just such a waste.

fucking drugs.

Posted by Samurai With my friend, it started slowly, just a perk here, an oxy there and now, he's the worlds worst dealer. He's been ripped off i don't know how many times. It really breaks my heart. I had a long talk with his wife a few months back and she doesn't know what to do. What's worse, is he has a twin brother who is in just as bad a shape only with him, not only is it oxys, but crack as well. He went from being a little plump (not fat, just you know, a happy healthy size) to being a scarecrow. His fucking clothes are hanging off of him. It's just such a waste. fucking drugs.

Maybe his wife can look into the soboxone program. Eventually the same thing that was happening to me will happen to her. They won't be able to pay their bills, he'll become the worlds biggest sneak and liar (if he hasn't already) their kids may find a pill and eat it, etc.

As you probably know, your tolerance for this drug just grows and grows. Therefore the perc here and there (which is also how my husband started) and the oxy here and there eventually won't cover it. It was the cost that blew me away. In my area its a dollar for every miligram, i.e., Oxy-40 = $40/each. My husband would eat up to 2 a day, which would be $560.00 a week.

Short of a detox program, the suboxone is the only other treatment for oxy that I know.

in Vermont, you have to be arrested to get into a program. So, since he manages to escape arrest, he continues the downward spiral.

That's awful Samurai.

I've seen friends who get hooked on something or other (alcohol included) go from being decent people to useless wrecks. A buddy of mine from high school used to get great marks and was a really hard worker. He got into the booze and that finished him off.

All you can do is what you've already done. Talked with the guy and try to get him to see what he's doing to himself. The only way he can be helped is if he wants the help. Otherwise, it's a hopeless cause.

I wish his wife and baby luck and I don't blame you for being so mad!

Sometimes you have to just suck it up and report them to get them arrested. Lest you will know that they will get help and have time to heal and think. Tough love..but its rough. I had a friend die from OD-ing..I regret it everyday that I didn't seek more help for him.

Get him help. I lost a friend to junk last year, and I wish I had done more to help. He started with painkillers and couldnt get enough of them. It changed him. Then he started doing heroin. He moved to Florida and died two weeks later of an overdose.

Every Sunday night I used to go drinking at my local Polish Club. I had this friend George who used to sit near me. It was a small bar, the kind where everyone knew everyone and you knew what night certain people would be there. George would always be sitting at the bar nursing a drink and reading his newspaper.

Later in the evening he would usually fall asleep and nod into his paper on the bar. The last time I saw him I was nudging him to wake up, get your head out of that paper! ...time to go. George had a taste for heroin and expired there at the bar with his head buried in the paper. I'm still pissed at him.

I had another buddy Tommy "Eggroll" who liked purple microdot. He started out taking one or two hits at a time but pretty soon he needed ten to twelve to get off. Eggroll died on a Saturday afternoon in front of his family while playing softball.

Drugs suck and the people that do them always insist they have it under control and can quit any time they want, but that never happens. Get your friend help before you lose him. No matter what happens his family is already affected, don't let him pay with his life and theirs. Sometimes they'll listen and sometimes not but you need to try.

You ain't kidding that the people who abuse drugs and alcohol ALWAYS think they have it under control. They have no clue.

I have custody of my niece because my sister (her mother) is a drug addict/alcoholic. 10 years ago she contracted HEP C and was told if she didn't stop partying that it would kill her by damaging her liver.

This past weekend she was hospitalized with pancreitis (spelling?). The doctor said to her "Now you have a death sentence; the majority of people with alcohol related pancreitis complicated by HEP C usually die within 7 years". My sister is only 35 years old.

I spent over 10 years putting my sister in rehabs, detoxes, counseling, I even had her arrested. They know what they are doing to themselves. Some of them will get/seek help and be okay. And then theres people like my sister who will party themselves to death and theres not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

Its a damn shame. And I'm pissed too.

Drugs and alcohol have ruined even my life; and I don't even do them.

Have had (not alcohol related) pancreatitus, back in 1999. In addition to being more painful than words can describe it is also sometimes deadly on its own. Your sister sounds like a train wreck. Maybe this will scare her straight.

postscript to this story...
my two friends were arrested on a conspiracy charge and are both in rehab. After I posted this thread, my friend and his wife divorced, lost their house and almost lost their car.

my hatred of drugs has grown furhter.
i know rehab will do nothing for these guys.
still bothers me.

Posted by Samurai postscript to this story... my two friends were arrested on a conspiracy charge and are both in rehab. After I posted this thread, my friend and his wife divorced, lost their house and almost lost their car. my hatred of drugs has grown furhter. i know rehab will do nothing for these guys. still bothers me.

Well, one of two things...one, they fail rehab, they end up in jail, which can turn into a sobering experience, or so I've heard, or two...they manage to dodge the drug tests, make it through the program and go right back to it...which will still end up in jail if they get caught again, but usually it's not if, it's when they get caught again.

I'm sorry to hear it, but it wasn't unexpected.

Hey Sam,I know what you mean.I used to love i mean love my perks,reefer, alcohol,and synthetic heroin..Oh and don't forget those Vicodin.I got arrested roughly 5 months ago for a crime i committed when i was drunk and on prescription painkillers,went to rehab shortly after that (about a couple weeks after)and ive been sober ever since.Haven't smoked any reefer/done any pills except the ones I have to take for depression/bi-polar/anxiety.Don't plan on going back to the way I was either.Any money that i had would go toward drugs/alcohol.I even sold a 20ft bamboo fishing rod i had just to get 2grams,I did a lot of fucked up shit just to get that next high,But now ive been about 5 months sober and life couldn't be any better!I can wake up without having to smoke a bowl or a do a line.Everything is so much clearer instead of living in the haze I was living in.I don't even have anything to do with people who get high or drunk all day/everyday or any of that shit.I've actually started a group on facebook called "Network of sober support",As I've said before being 110% clean and sober as bought me a new lease on life and I wouldnt trade it for the world

Posted by Stealthy666 Hey Sam,I know what you mean.I used to love i mean love my perks,reefer, alcohol,and synthetic heroin..Oh and don't forget those Vicodin.I got arrested roughly 5 months ago for a crime i committed when i was drunk and on prescription painkillers,went to rehab shortly after that (about a couple weeks after)and ive been sober ever since.Haven't smoked any reefer/done any pills except the ones I have to take for depression/bi-polar/anxiety.Don't plan on going back to the way I was either.Any money that i had would go toward drugs/alcohol.I even sold a 20ft bamboo fishing rod i had just to get 2grams,I did a lot of fucked up shit just to get that next high,But now ive been about 5 months sober and life couldn't be any better!I can wake up without having to smoke a bowl or a do a line.Everything is so much clearer instead of living in the haze I was living in.I don't even have anything to do with people who get high or drunk all day/everyday or any of that shit.I've actually started a group on facebook called "Network of sober support",As I've said before being 110% clean and sober as bought me a new lease on life and I wouldnt trade it for the world

please stay this way! I hate to sound like a PSA, but please please please even for the sake of those around you, don't go near those things are the people that do them. stay strong man. Life is a shit sandwich, but at least stay straight and enjoy the flavor...

i've lost count of the friends i've lost to drugs and alcohol... i could cry right now because of it.

Sam, I feel your pain I really do. My nephew is hooked on Oxycotin, good ol medical grade heroin. and he isn't getting off any time soon. He screwed over my brother in-law, sister, other nephews me.. everyone he could... hell he blew a full ride football scholarship to a state uni... and he hasn't hit bottom yet. shit he has walked out of rehab THREE times. the id is heading down a bad bad road...


makes me sad.

Posted by Samurai please stay this way! I hate to sound like a PSA, but please please please even for the sake of those around you, don't go near those things are the people that do them. stay strong man. Life is a shit sandwich, but at least stay straight and enjoy the flavor... i've lost count of the friends i've lost to drugs and alcohol... i could cry right now because of it.

I plan on it man!and you're right life is a shit sandwich but im enjoying the flavor,today my aunt walked into the kitchen where i was standing at the time and shes like "look at this"and showed me a picture of a huge bud of weed of her phone,like my own family(the generally un-supportive in every way possible ones that is)want me to go back to drugs or something for some fucked up reason.Its like theyre oblivious to the fact what drugs and all that shit did to me.my other aunt one had said this to me one day (after i told her drinking used to make me sick and thats another reason i quit)all that she said to me was"You just have to know how to drink"that shows you how arogant/ignorant they are or at least gives you a general idea.