Posted by Lexi Unless you're one of the few millions of people with thyroid disease, (out of billions of obese people) there really is no excuse. So you have a choice. You can sit here at the computer and mope, or you can take control.

i think you had better stop. right. there. before you say something that is really unrepairable. Understand, that yes, maybe we did bring this upon ourselves, BUT it's not always that easy to just 'do something about it'. Not all of us here work a super-swell 9 to 5. Some of us work schedules where eating and exercising like a normal person is pretty much out of the question. On top of that, to just flippantly say, 'well, just find another job then.' is ridiculous because in my area, that's not an option. And then, I'm sure you'll wheel out, 'well move then.' Sure, move away from a home that I own, my friends and family... sorry, but that's just being childish.

People do sometimes find themselves victims of their environments. Almost 90% of the people I work with in that plant have weight issues. In other words, they're overweight. Are you saying that we're all just fat slobs that got fat in front of a computer? We're overweight because we work jobs in front of machines. We are overweight because we work this godforsaken rotating shift that will take 20 years off of our lives. And we do it just so we can make a living.

it's easy for thin and beautiful people to sit smugly behind their computers and just casually tell someone that they're a fat pig and that it's their own fault. That really does get under my skin, Lexi... I'm not dogpiling on you, and you didn't call anyone a fat pig, but the statement you made might as well have been the same thing.

this fucking society is so hung up on being beautiful... it pisses me off. This is fashionable, this attractive, but that's not... maybe I better stop before i say something unrepairable.

Posted by Brind Do any of you seriously think whining is going to get people to stop picking on you? I'm so sick of everyone wanting the world to be all puppies and rainbows. We're all adults here, and we've all been around long enough to know that the world just doesn't work that way. There are always going to be assholes, and showing how much things get to you only makes them want to do it more. Either do something to change what you're getting picked on for, or stop putting so much stock in what some douchebag says in passing just to get a reaction.

Yeah, the world isn't puppies, and in my experience, the best way to get someone to stop being a douchebag is break their nose, or ribs, or an arm. They have a tendency to shut the fuck up really fast.


Actually, i felt like modifying this post because it didn't get across what I meant...

In high school, I was skinny. I wasn't pretty, but I was thin and was able to run around and make a fool out of myself just like anyone else. I started getting heavy when I took an driving job in late 99. After that, i was on a rocketsled to 300lbs. When I moved to Tennessee in early 2000, I was 330lbs. I took a job in an auto plant where you had to hustle all night. It seemed like a matter of a couple months as and I was tickling 220-230lbs. I was slimming down nicely. Then I moved back to New York and took an office job and it seemed like almost instantly, the weight reappeared. Seriously, a matter of a few weeks and
I was knocking on the door of 300lbs again.

From an office job, I went to another office job and then a driving job and then to a store job... all hours that made doing anything other than work, damn near impossible. And then I took a job at the mill... and that right there was the stray that killed me. Not only do we work goofy hours, but these people love to eat. There are gas grills in every department and at least once on day rotation, we'll have a big breakfast or burgers at lunch and if you swear it off citing a diet, you're an elitist douchebag, or some other equally charming name.

So here we are, 300lbs again and desperately wanting to lose the weight, not for my health, but so i can wear awesome clothes again. And finding that at age 35, i'll have to leave my job to do it.

And doesn't it seem like fat people are the only group that can be made fun of with impunity? There are never any repercussions from calling someone a fat bastard... everyone always laughs, funny ha ha... bastards.

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Posted by Brind Do any of you seriously think whining is going to get people to stop picking on you? I'm so sick of everyone wanting the world to be all puppies and rainbows. We're all adults here, and we've all been around long enough to know that the world just doesn't work that way. There are always going to be assholes, and showing how much things get to you only makes them want to do it more. Either do something to change what you're getting picked on for, or stop putting so much stock in what some douchebag says in passing just to get a reaction.

Actually, we are not all adults here. You should really keep in mind that Lexi is NOT AN ADULT. I know that is likely something you try to ignore, but you are 6 years older than her. Six important years. There isn't a huge difference between 30 and 36, but there is a massive difference between 16 and 22. Massive.

Posted by argonian Actually, we are not all adults here. You should really keep in mind that Lexi is NOT AN ADULT. I know that is likely something you try to ignore, but you are 6 years older than her. Six important years. There isn't a huge difference between 30 and 36, but there is a massive difference between 16 and 22. Massive.

I don't see how that's relevant to the situation since my comment had nothing to do with Lexi, but with the people who like to bitch and moan about how mean everyone is to them.

Hold it right there.

Some of us have fought the weight problem all of our lives.

I have and it's a losing battle. Let's face it. I've fought the problem since I was 7 years old and I lose, not because of food, ask Sam, I don't eat half of what he does and I still can't manage to lose it. Lately, people are believing that because we're fat, it's our own faults. I call bullshit on that one. It's not always our fault. In some cases, your body decides to stay a certain weight due to your age or your genetics. I hit a brick wall at anywhere from 250 to 230 lbs and I can't go any lower without doing one of two things, starving myself and living on caffeine and cigarettes, or going on a one meal a day diet of less than 1000 calories, and even that isn't working like it used to.

You get to a certain age, the body begins to win, genetics and hormones begin to control your metabolism, as well as your life. Believe me, I'm going through this right now. In my family, menopause begins around 35. I've had the hormone level test, I know it's starting, and all I can say to the skinny witches of the world is remember, menopause is coming for you all, add gravity to it and it will hit you right square in the ass with saddlebags and flabby arms. Trust me on that, and I can't wait to see it. Because it will happen to you, whether you want it to or not. Give it 20 or 30 years and you'll end up just like the rest of us. You may not be really overweight, but you will see how hard it is and when you do, I will just sit back and laugh.

Shael

While shift work and your occupation can definitely effect your weight, it doesn't mean it can become an excuse. Sorry if I say something irreparable, but the time that you spent typing out that post, you could have been going for a walk or lifting some weights. (And before anybody gets snippy, I already did my morning workout.) You can find the time to exercise and make wholesome meals, but only if you really, truly want to. Nobody's sitting you down and saying "eat this giant meal", and nobody's saying "after work, just sit around". It's up to you. I'm not saying find a new job, move elsewhere, etc.. I'm saying make small and effective changes.

I don't see how my age nullifies the fact that I'm living proof that losing the weight works. It's not easy and it certainly doesn't just stop once it's all gone. I have to watch what I eat every day and commit myself to work out - but guess how much I get made fun of for being fat now? Nearly never. In fact, I'd say I'm my biggest critic.

I don't have oodles of time for it either - as many of you would assume - because I juggle school, cadets, work and responsibilities elsewhere. Keeping my grades high enough to get scholarships, spending two full evenings a week with 12 year olds and sometimes full weekends working barely leaves me with any time for myself. I'm anemic and have a plethora of health issues that makes sitting on my ass look really, really appealing. But here I am struggling towards -40lbs and I can honestly say it was the best damn choice I've ever made.

P.S. For the sake of nitpicking, I'm 17 now. I'm also adult enough to realize more than you'd like to give me credit for.

I guess some people in the UE community are true to form as normal. I agree with Dave. This place had got to be one of the most mean spirited forums I have ever belonged to. With all the "well ya know it is all your fault that these people do this, you are fat or ugly or wear funny clothes. If you conformed to standards and were among the beautiful people like us they would not pick on you." It really has nothing to do with the fact that the people that have to do the "picking" are sub-human with no life skills or decency.


The assholes are allowed to be assholes and are encouraged. Anyone who has anything with a human aspect to say is is weak and so on. Ya ok what fuckin ever. I know it's the internet. It does not give people the right to be a dick, they just do it. I would love to see these freaks walk up to Dave, Sam or even myself and talk the talk face to face. That will not happen because they are small minded, small balled bastards who have bigger problems than we have. I might not be the ideal weight, I am not drop dead hot but I am a good person. Even if one of these idiots had the nuts so say it to my face I could still let them get it out of their system and walk away. I might be hurt by it, I might cry when no one is looking, I might even post a thread about it on the internet, LIONS TIGERS AND BEARS OH MY! That would be so weak and wrong. When it is all said and done I am still the bigger person. I could very well have slapped the taste out of their mouth with a force that their grandchildren would feel.

Posted by shellyl I guess some people in the UE community are true to form as normal. I agree with Dave. This place had got to be one of the most mean spirited forums I have ever belonged to. With all the "well ya know it is all your fault that these people do this, you are fat or ugly or wear funny clothes. If you conformed to standards and were among the beautiful people like us they would not pick on you." It really has nothing to do with the fact that the people that have to do the "picking" are sub-human with no life skills or decency. The assholes are allowed to be assholes and are encouraged. Anyone who has anything with a human aspect to say is is weak and so on. Ya ok what fuckin ever. I know it's the internet. It does not give people the right to be a dick, they just do it. I would love to see these freaks walk up to Dave, Sam or even myself and talk the talk face to face. That will not happen because they are small minded, small balled bastards who have bigger problems than we have. I might not be the ideal weight, I am not drop dead hot but I am a good person. Even if one of these idiots had the nuts so say it to my face I could still let them get it out of their system and walk away. I might be hurt by it, I might cry when no one is looking, I might even post a thread about it on the internet, LIONS TIGERS AND BEARS OH MY! That would be so weak and wrong. When it is all said and done I am still the bigger person. I could very well have slapped the taste out of their mouth with a force that their grandchildren would feel.

Thank you, you said that so much better than I could have.

Shael

For the record, I'm not trying to be mean spirited. I'm trying to influence people to change their own lives.

I hated people telling me to get off my ass and take control, it was half of the reason I isolated myself. Pissed me off so much. But you know what? Once I took the advice and did something, I felt 100 times better.

Edit: I'd also like to add that I'm only human, too. I jiggle when I walk, my ass looks like an orange peel and I just had a bowl of ice cream in the wake of a family argument. I'm not trying to act superior or be a bully in any way, I'm just trying to preach the (Jesus-free) good word!

Posted by Lexi For the record, I'm not trying to be mean spirited. I'm trying to influence people to change their own lives. I hated people telling me to get off my ass and take control, it was half of the reason I isolated myself. Pissed me off so much. But you know what? Once I took the advice and did something, I felt 100 times better. Edit: I'd also like to add that I'm only human, too. I jiggle when I walk, my ass looks like an orange peel and I just had a bowl of ice cream in the wake of a family argument. I'm not trying to act superior or be a bully in any way, I'm just trying to preach the (Jesus-free) good word!

I was not really aiming that at anyone specific. Lexi you are aware you are not perfect. As long as you don't act in same manner that the person who is ripping up Dave, you are not in the same class as the cockheads I was speaking of.

I was more pissed that folks get away with being so mean. You are right, sometimes people need a little nudging and a lot of support to change things. I have seen people who are trying to make a difference in their lives and doing a great job and it takes only one asshole with a mean comment to make it all fall apart again. It hurts. It can set even the strongest people back. There is a huge difference between a friend telling you you need to loose a few pounds and supporting you and a jerk who says you are fat. People who are overweight, not pretty or handsome or have odd sense of style know it. There is no need to point it out for the sake of pointing it out. It serves no good purpose.

Hey, what about this:

What if somebody doesn't want to lose the weight? Do they still deserve to be made fun of? Health issues aside... What if they're happy being the way they are? Why do people deserve to be made fun of at all just because they look different?

I just want to add my .02 worth here.

Age is the big equalizer. As you get older you will find that people will change and tolerance/acceptance is more universal. BUT there are some people that will never change, there's always that one asshole that thinks it's funny to insult others. Feel good about yourself and don't worry about the assholes, there are other social forces that they will soon have to contend with that will make your weight problem look like a picnic.

Eventually things rotate 180 degrees to where the tormentors find themselves on the outside of social acceptance as many others (like us) reject them as social misfits and they no longer have the support of their fellow idiots. That's when they start to see how un-cool it is to be rude and obnoxious to their fellow humans. They finally get a taste of what they put us through.

Posted by Samurai Yeah, the world isn't puppies, and in my experience, the best way to get someone to stop being a douchebag is break their nose, or ribs, or an arm. They have a tendency to shut the fuck up really fast.

I also find that as Samurai suggests, a good beating can help. It may not be the "correct" thing to do but it sure gives the asshole something to think about and it feels instantly gratifying to you. I know, I've done it. There's something magical about teaching someone who deserves it a good lesson. Besides, most of these people will shrink at the thought of taking a beating because they're all mouth and no balls, especially when they're not with their friends.

To the people that say "Just do something about it"... well, I been "doing something about it" for most of my life and it's not that easy. For those of you that think it is just try breathing less. Get the picture?

Three years ago I lost 80 lbs because I was told I was diabetic and unless I wanted to die I needed to lose weight. I worked my balls off to do it. Eat right, walk 5 miles a day etc. Great! I got down to 250lbs. It gets easier when there's a gun to your head. Then my job changed from freelancing (I'm a Graphic Artist) out of the house to 8 hour days at a job where i stood in front of a printing press all day. By the time I got home and did my chores I was too beat to walk and all I wanted was to have a cocktail or 3, eat supper and sleep. Well I packed 30 lbs back on and I saw the whole cycle starting again.

Now I'm back doing my own thing again and life is better. The dogs get exercise, I get exercise and I have control over what I cook and eat. Yes, you can do something about it if you want to but for most people it means a major life change and sometimes that's not economically feasible. The job is all consuming leaving no time for what the soul needs. I am very fortunate that we are able to live off my wife's salary otherwise I saw myself dying in front of that press.

You can't just change your appearance with a snap of the fingers but you also don't have to take shit from assholes. Remember, what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger and the best revenge is living well.

I'm 51, 280lbs, live well, love UE, treat others with respect and don't take shit from anybody. Trust me, it gets better.

Posted by Brind I don't see how that's relevant to the situation since my comment had nothing to do with Lexi, but with the people who like to bitch and moan about how mean everyone is to them.

God, your rhetoric is annoying. How about the people who like to bitch and moan about people expressing their feelings? Why not direct that energy and effort toward complaining about people who hide and talk shit? You don't see me complaining about people who call me fat to my face. You see me complaining about someone who is still unknown to this date, talking the most offensive shit anyone can talk.

If you are so perfect and happy with yourself, why are you worried about "people who like to bitch and moan about how mean everyone is to them"? It sounds like your life isn't perfect and you have some issues yourself. If you were truly satisfied, you would just feel sorry that people have such unfortunate issues....such as weight.

Welcome to the club, kettle.

Alrighty then, now that everyone has that off their chest, let's close this topic with some deep thoughts from the depths of my mind.

Lexi, yes in the time that it took to post that, i could've ran around my house hooting and hollering and waving my arms screaming high to the heavens to be thin thin thin. Fact of the matter is, fuck it. I'm 35. I'm too old, too tired, too pissed off and like to eat too much to really give a fuck anymore. If I lose weight, fine. Whatever. If I gain it, well that sucks, but fuck it anyways, i don't give a shit anymore as long as I don't hang off either side of the toilet too bad when I take a beefy shit.

i've never apologized for my size or the way I look. And I never will. I think that our cultured is fucked up in that aspect. Everyone wants to be a super model and fit into ridiculous clothes... all molds for soul-dead conformist clones.

anyways, i am going to lock this thread before we all say something that can't be repaired. I think it's better that way. Everyone said what they need to?

I had locked this thread, but unlocked it... maybe wanting to see where it went. Everyone play nice.

Thick chicks fucking rock.

Forward those emails to me, Big Dave. Make sure you include the senders address.

Guys, remember one thing, the people that really love you and care about you don't give a shit whether you're fat, thin, tall, short, or blue and purple. (Unless you're dead or dying, that is. Then we'll be the first to call you an ambulance.) That goes for everybody, especially Sam, who already knows I don't care what he looks like. If I did, I wouldn't still be here.

That's the one thing that really drives me crazy about the way people treat others. There's no reason for being treated badly for the way you look. I accept everyone based on their own gifts and weaknesses. Sure, if you're an asshole, I'll make sure you know it, but for the most part, people need to start thinking like that.

My father said one thing before he died that I remember and take to heart, something I'll never forget, "If you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all." I try to live by that rule and the world would be a lot better place if we all did. It's just that some people don't know when to keep their big fat fscking mouths shut. I work with two of those particular type idiots, who are going to end up getting themselves fired from the mill or worse, like shot in the parking lot of the local bar some Saturday night.

The only thing I wish is that people would give that a try, just for one day and I don't mean Christmas either. I mean just one ordinary day out of the year. Maybe we might all learn something and be better people for it?

Shael

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