Not that I've ever seen! I know VW has that too, each component has a signature of the person who tested it at the factory.

Posted by Samurai hell will freeze over before i drive a foreign car.

aren't Toyota's made in Kentucky?

Not exactly foreign, is it ;)

Posted by SoNaive aren't Toyota's made in Kentucky? Not exactly foreign, is it ;)

it's a Japanese make built by a company from Japan.
do not want.

playin devils advocate here, does that mean you would drive a chevy optra, a vauxhall or everyones favorite opel

Posted by nostra-YOUPPI! playin devils advocate here, does that mean you would drive a chevy optra, a vauxhall or everyones favorite opel

yes... because those are owned by GM.
what kills me is that the Matrix is a rebadged Toyota.
that slays me.

like all the 'zukis. how bout an izuzu hombre?

Posted by Samurai yes... because those are owned by GM. what kills me is that the Matrix is a rebadged Toyota. that slays me.

So, if G.M. bought Toyota, would you then consider buying a toyota?

toyota cavalier?

I think what Samarui is implying is in what country does the money end up in. For example obviously, a car sold from Toyota America would end up on the balance sheet of Toyota Industries of Japan.

Posted by Agent Skelly I think what Samarui is implying is in what country does the money end up in. For example obviously, a car sold from Toyota America would end up on the balance sheet of Toyota Industries of Japan.

Using that logic, should i not buy a car, because none of it will go to a canadian company?

Posted by SoNaive Using that logic, should i not buy a car, because none of it will go to a canadian company?

If you want...You don't have to live by Samurais rules. He has his reasons, respect that.

Posted by SoNaive Using that logic, should i not buy a car, because none of it will go to a canadian company?

at least its fucking canadian
fuck your foreign cars the fucking rustbuckets
most of you fuckers aren't even old enough to know what real cars were like to drive. been driving these fucking shitboxes thinking they were so goddamn superior fuck youall fuck your toyotas fuckyour nissans fuck your fucking subarus
fuck it all fuck everything

Posted by Samurai at least its fucking canadian fuck your foreign cars the fucking rustbuckets most of you fuckers aren't even old enough to know what real cars were like to drive. been driving these fucking shitboxes thinking they were so goddamn superior fuck youall fuck your toyotas fuckyour nissans fuck your fucking subarus fuck it all fuck everything

Actually, Samarui I have driven most of my relatives big boat pre-oil crisis Buicks and Oldsmobiles which I swear you could not DENT them.

euro <3

All cars have their place. I don't know what I'd do with an old American muscle car besides garage it. My car is possibly the most fun I've ever had been the wheel hands down. Sure, I rag on American cars, but I do have some respect for them. I absolutely love my suburban even though it's left me stranded on the top of Vail Pass in the Cold with a dead transmission. It does it's job and it does it well. I just don't like the fact that american car companies think we all want V8s trucks and sports cars.


But whatever, I did get a chance to drive a cobalt SS Sam, and I'll admit, for a fwd car it does show some innovation. The only thing negative I really encountered was wheel hop. It's not my car, but at about the same price it gives similar performance with a warranty.

I obviously missed the point of this thread, but that's my input. Most kids my age are obsessed with their POS japanese cars and it's just sickening.

i admit i lean towards american cars but the cami triplets the swift/firefly/(metro-sprint) were a blast to drive, they were rusty econoboxes but the 3 cylinder in them was perfectly mated to that light body, i got one up to 180km/h

Posted by Samurai at least its fucking canadian fuck your foreign cars the fucking rustbuckets most of you fuckers aren't even old enough to know what real cars were like to drive. been driving these fucking shitboxes thinking they were so goddamn superior fuck youall fuck your toyotas fuckyour nissans fuck your fucking subarus fuck it all fuck everything

But that is my point.

Every car to a Canadian is technically a foreign car.
My family has driven nothing but American cars, not domestic cars, American cars.

should i be cursing american cars because they are foreign? no.

A car is a car no matter who makes it.

why should it matter that i haven't driven a car from the 70's, if they were "real cars" why have their standards dropped so much?

would you listen to a band you liked in the 70's terrible new album just because you "liked them in the 70's"

i have no problems with american cars, or japanese cars, or european cars, or russian cars, or chinese cars, or indian cars

they all have the same purpose.

to transport people.

i regret that my comment made you fly off the handle, so for that i apologize.

Thank you.


[edit] added different countries to the "no problems" line

we were drinking rum and ginger ale and upset beyond words.
none of you had anything to do with it.

i agree with Naive!! I have driven, worked on and or restored vehicles from the 20's all the way through to this decade!! (Yes, i was a Mechanic, interprovincial actually) All cars, and i mean ALL cars are nothing more than machinery!! They will ALL fail at some point!! Do not fool yourself that some make is mysteriously perfect, it doesn't happen. These machines are designed and built by humans, they will have flaws. Yes, some will have more than others, but that is not the cars fault and generally not the companies fault either. Speaking generally here, it is usually the owners fault for not properly maintaining their vehicles. If any of you guys here work in the industrial sector, you know that successful companies don't work their equipment to failure, they employ rigorous preventative maintenance and autonomous maintenance systems that enable their machinery to run for thousands and thousands of hours!! People drive their cars into the ground, do little, to no maintenance on them and whine like little bitches because something breaks or goes wrong!! I think most people forget just how complicated a piece of machinery an automobile really is!!! How can that many parts and systems work flawlessly, for that long, without something either going wrong or needing maintenance??? Think about it!!!! For every quote of a Chevy with a million Kms on it, i can come back with a Ford, Volkswagen, Honda, blah, blah, blah etc that has the same amount of mileage!! Within each company, and within each model line you will find the extremes, ones that are amazingly well put together, and ones amazingly crappy!! All within the same model line!!! I understand the attachments that people get for a model or brand, i am just as guilty as the next (go mustang!!!) but what burns my ass is people that are so short sighted to dismiss other cars because they fall out of their tidy little cubby hole of preference!! This goes both ways...import lovers and domestic lovers!! Don't be so blind!! I am a car guy...i look at each and every car with respect, no matter of manufacturer, country of manufacture or where the damn money goes!! On the money point, generally the money raised from car sales produced here (ie. North America) stay here. These Global companies operate their continental divisions as separate entities, with only a "relatively" small amount of funds going back to the country of origin! This i know because i work for one of the largest international companies in the world!!

Okay, now that i have vented, and probably offended most people on here, i will get off my damn soapbox and crawl back under my rock!!! lol!!

Posted by Agent Skelly Actually, Samarui I have driven most of my relatives big boat pre-oil crisis Buicks and Oldsmobiles which I swear you could not DENT them.

A friend of mine put this best. He used to drive a 1978 Chevy K-5 Blazer, and he said that when he was working on it and got pissed and punched the fender or something, you couldn't even tell on the fender, but he would almost break his fingers. Well, when gas prices went through the roof, he sold his K-5 and traded down in a big way to a Kia Sephia. Recently, because it's a piece of shit, the headlights stopped working, so he punched the fender out of anger and left a massive fist-shaped dent in it. You can literally see the individual fingers in the dent. (He's not the brightest)

Toyotas' reliability is exaggerated, anyway. I've had two cars as my primary drivers since I've got my license: A 1985 Chevrolet S-10 with a 305 smallblock V8 which I drove for roughly a year and a half, and a 1984 Toyota Tercel hatchback which I've driven for just under a year now. Since I started driving the S-10, I've had to replace the fuel pump and rewrap a couple of wires due to someone doing it wrong in the past. Since I've started driving the Toyota, I've had to replace: Both front struts, both front strut mounts, water pump, starter, and the brake master cylinder. The Chevy has 60,000 more miles on it than the Toyota body-wise, and probably more on the engine too.