http://www.forbes....ml?thisspeed=25000

Chevrolet Colorado (i actually like this truck)
Chrysler Sebring Convertible
Chrysler Town & Country
Dodge Grand Caravan
Ford F-250 (really? wth?)
GMC Canyon
Jaguar XF
Lincoln MKS
Mercedes-Benz GL450
Volkswagen Touareg

Who the hell writes these articles? Why would the Colorado and the Canyon be on the same list? Arent they the same truck, different branding? What information are the editors using to qualify these cars as "clunker cars to avoid", the cost of annual repairs? Idiots!

BTW, i would take a Lincoln MKS AWD and a Touareg.

Posted by big dave http://www.forbes....ml?thisspeed=25000 Chevrolet Colorado (i actually like this truck) Chrysler Sebring Convertible Chrysler Town & Country Dodge Grand Caravan Ford F-250 (really? wth?) GMC Canyon Jaguar XF Lincoln MKS Mercedes-Benz GL450 Volkswagen Touareg Who the hell writes these articles? Why would the Colorado and the Canyon be on the same list? Arent they the same truck, different branding? What information are the editors using to qualify these cars as "clunker cars to avoid", the cost of annual repairs? Idiots! BTW, i would take a Lincoln MKS AWD and a Touareg.

early years of the Colorado/Canyon suck.
the Sebring is a service nightmare
the Town & Country/ Grand Caravan have electrical and transmission issues
certain model years of the F250 have a bad front end design
The Jag... this is a no-brainer
the Lincoln surprised me, honestly as did the Benz.
the Touareg... i have heard that with these, it's everything all at once.

The Grand Caravan is interesting. Unlike its short wheel base sister, the long base models were made at the St Louis Assembly which is known for inconsistent quality issues. However I know when I was in the Caravan community, most of those issues were easy fixes.

The Colorado and Canyon are only on that list cause the 2.8/3.5 have problems with premature valve seat wear. Which was a problem you either got or didn't. GM warranted these engines to 100,000 miles too. Otherwise these trucks haven't had the problems some of the competitors have had, and are seeing 200,000 miles plus with no problem. Forbes can suck my dick.

Posted by Agent Skelly The Grand Caravan is interesting. Unlike its short wheel base sister, the long base models were made at the St Louis Assembly which is known for inconsistent quality issues. However I know when I was in the Caravan community, most of those issues were easy fixes.

i am laughing at the term "Caravan Community"... an army Clark W. Griswolds and their wagonqueen family trucksters!

Posted by Samurai i am laughing at the term "Caravan Community"... an army Clark W. Griswolds and their wagonqueen family trucksters!

HA. Well, its not that crazy. Its a good bunch of guys; Turbo Gus was in it. Every iconic car has a cult community.

Posted by Agent Skelly HA. Well, its not that crazy. Its a good bunch of guys; Turbo Gus was in it. Every iconic car has a cult community.

the J-body used to have a tight group until every idiot that couldn't afford a Civic started the yo-backward hat-bro movement.

lol @ most of these cars being domestics

Posted by Nismo lol @ most of these cars being domestics

that because people that write these lists are on Honda, Nissan, Toyota, Hyundai and Kia's payroll.

Posted by Samurai that because people that write these lists are on Honda, Nissan, Toyota, Hyundai and Kia's payroll.

Not. These cars really do have some serious issues. Its not saying imports are perfect, but these cars come first on the shitty cars list! Who knows, Honda or Nissan might be 11, 12, 13 for all we know.

Posted by big dave Not. These cars really do have some serious issues. Its not saying imports are perfect, but these cars come first on the shitty cars list! Who knows, Honda or Nissan might be 11, 12, 13 for all we know.

i forgot the smiley face... i meant that in good humor.
BUT... sometimes I wonder.

Posted by Samurai i am laughing at the term "Caravan Community"... an army Clark W. Griswolds and their wagonqueen family trucksters!

you beat me to that one!

and yes i want a family truckster!

Posted by Agent Skelly I know when I was in the Caravan community

There is a Caravan community?

Posted by yokes There is a Caravan community?

Yes. It originally was on Allpar but I am not sure where it is now.

Canyons/Colorados are a service nightmare. They have a LOT of issues, and nothing is a simple job on them (It pays 7.5 hours to do the front rotors, 7 hours to do a valve cover gasket, etc...)

Posted by bandi Canyons/Colorados are a service nightmare. They have a LOT of issues, and nothing is a simple job on them (It pays 7.5 hours to do the front rotors, 7 hours to do a valve cover gasket, etc...)

S10's had retarded service times as well... NOTHING came apart easy on those things.

Posted by bandi Canyons/Colorados are a service nightmare. They have a LOT of issues, and nothing is a simple job on them (It pays 7.5 hours to do the front rotors, 7 hours to do a valve cover gasket, etc...)

Snap On Shop Key (mitchell) says 4.8 to do the front rotors and 5.5 to do the valve cover gaskets. Why so high at your shop?

Looking at these labour times I guess I better lose my H3 once the warranty expires!1

Posted by oddspot Snap On Shop Key (mitchell) says 4.8 to do the front rotors and 5.5 to do the valve cover gaskets. Why so high at your shop? Looking at these labour times I guess I better lose my H3 once the warranty expires!1

i've found that the service advisors 'pad' the time service times to cover any issues the tech runs into.

Posted by Samurai i've found that the service advisors 'pad' the time service times to cover any issues the tech runs into.

That's kind of scary to be honest, though I know it happens. To me, having managed and still managing shops, that's a tech double dipping from the flat rate system. If he beats the flat rate time, he still gets the full flat rate pay and moves onto the next job. If he's slower for whatever reason, he's now asking for and getting more money.

The only time the flat rate system should be compromised like that where the tech gets more money is if the issues are caused by something seized, excessively rusted, broken etc... but that should only be done at the time it's discovered, not padded ahead of time.

dirty dirty

Posted by oddspot That's kind of scary to be honest, though I know it happens. To me, having managed and still managing shops, that's a tech double dipping from the flat rate system. If he beats the flat rate time, he still gets the full flat rate pay and moves onto the next job. If he's slower for whatever reason, he's now asking for and getting more money. The only time the flat rate system should be compromised like that where the tech gets more money is if the issues are caused by something seized, excessively rusted, broken etc... but that should only be done at the time it's discovered, not padded ahead of time. dirty dirty

I think i just found a new mechanic shop.