Shit. Lol. I want to print this and put it on windshields of Priuseseses.

http://motortorque...-jeep-wrangler.asp

you should. for anyone to go around thinking they are doing anything good for the environment by calling a massive toxic battery pack like that into creation and then go driving it around collecting pats on the back from similarly ignorant citizens, is a disservice to others and an embarrassment to themselves. articles like that are the strongest argument you can make for responsible use of vehicles to reduce your total carbon footprint, it is not as simple as your fuel consumption. the wrangler made good long use of assembly line tooling, and is a breeze to recycle; but any good used car can be driven and maintained responsibly to keep it out of the landfill and reduce your energy use.

I think the strongest argument for the Wrangler and its cousins are when was the last time you saw a complete one get crushed? By the time the see the crusher they are usually just a damaged frame and damaged tub. Us jeep freaks will strip one down like a pack of dogs on a 3 legged cat.

I know Chrysler is working on an Electric Jeep that has in-wheel electric motors with all-wheel drive steering.

Imagine, being able to switch from FWD, RWD, and 4WD in milliseconds. Need more power to the left tire? No problem. It would make the Subaru AWD system look like PlayDoh

True Skelly, but I don't know if I can trust that type of set up 50 miles from pavement. Interesting concept tho.

Posted by jeepdave True Skelly, but I don't know if I can trust that type of set up 50 miles from pavement. Interesting concept tho.

I think it would pretty safe. The technology is just about there with some of the mining equipment out there that run on in-wheel motors. Granted, its easier to build a electric motor into a 20 foot wide wheel.

Yup lol. I think for me to consider something like that it would still need a small diesel generator to produce power for that just in case moment. But being I'm internal combustion all the way, I don't think I would ever swap (willingly) in my lifetime.

Posted by jeepdave Yup lol. I think for me to consider something like that it would still need a small diesel generator to produce power for that just in case moment. But being I'm internal combustion all the way, I don't think I would ever swap (willingly) in my lifetime.

Well, from what I understand from reading about the concept, it would have options for multiple sources of power. Even if you look at the mining rigs that run on electric, they are connected directly to a giant power converter that's connected to the main grid.

True. But one thing that differs the 2 ( mining equip vs jeeps ) is how rought we are with them. ME has a tough long life but they typically run on a smooth "road" and are run carefully. And they can weigh all they want. Where as jeeps have a tendency to be ran really hard, jumped at times ( I'm guilty of that one ) and beat on pretty bad. Lots of jarring and shaking, some things that electric motors really don't like too awful much. A better ( and more feasible alternative I think ) would be a simple diesel option. A 4 or 5 cylinder diesel would be king in my world. I don't care if its only got a top speed of 75 ( about what the run now lol ) if I can idle it down to 300 rpm and get gobs of tourque at that point I'm game. And it would be much better on mpgs not to mention CAN be low emmisions ( with the advances on these things nowadays). It will be a while before we see electric motors on the wheels of true enthusiast jeeps. Damn, I just started thinkin about all that unsprung weight. Shudder.

Electric Traction Motors can take a good beating. If you look at a locomotive, the electric motor portion rarely fails.

The problem I've seen in electric conversions of ATVs is that people cut corners by putting in electric motors like from elevators or other non-traction purposes. Those motors are not equipped to handle the loads and forces placed by wheels and actually burn out as they can't handle in between speeds.

Now that the snow is gone, I'm currently daily driving a 37 year old car. It practically runs on baby seals and goldfinches...


...actually I can't believe the mileage I'm getting outta the thing.

Posted by Agent Skelly I know Chrysler is working on an Electric Jeep that has in-wheel electric motors with all-wheel drive steering. Imagine, being able to switch from FWD, RWD, and 4WD in milliseconds. Need more power to the left tire? No problem. It would make the Subaru AWD system look like PlayDoh

Pass on the all wheel drive steering. We've been steering just fine with two wheels for a century (save for an old Prelude and a GM or two).
More moving components = more breakdown opportunities

I'd love to see all the math for this. I believe it, overall, but would like some more "proof" to back it up.

I'd also like to see the real breakdown for how motor companies really determine price, because you know these cars are often cheaper to build than they sell them for...

Posted by velcrozeppelin I'd love to see all the math for this. I believe it, overall, but would like some more "proof" to back it up. I'd also like to see the real breakdown for how motor companies really determine price, because you know these cars are often cheaper to build than they sell them for...

Um, thats called profit.

Posted by jeepdave Um, thats called profit.

Hahaha obviously, but I'd like to see the math anyway. I wonder how they factor R&D into the price, etc. I've just never seen the breakdown.

look at cars built since 1995.. how many of them are still in service?
THAT'S what you call being responsible... taking a car to it's absolute end run and then recycling it.


or even better, part it out.
this hybrid/electric bandwagon is getting old... where is the electricity going to come from to charge these electro-cocksucker mobiles up? Who is going to be able to afford to fix their hybrid when something exotic and expensive goes tits up in it?

Posted by Samurai this hybrid/electric bandwagon is getting old... where is the electricity going to come from to charge these electro-cocksucker mobiles up?

Solar, wind, any other renewable. Or even if it comes from coal, it still pollutes less per km/mile to charge then to burn. If you buy a solar system at the same time you can charge your home system during the day and then from that charge your car at night. Even charging from the grid will cost you around 2 cents a mile.

Who is going to be able to afford to fix their hybrid when something exotic and expensive goes tits up in it?

Expensive? Really, aside from the charging system what's expensive? Motor for electric, simpler to fix than ANY internal combustion motor and far less expensive. Moving parts=3. Rotor, and 2 bearings. Parts that wear, brushes, if they use brushes.

As for who can do it? The general electrician can do it. I can do it, you can do it. Electric cars have been converted, built, and maintained by simple hippies (not calling hippies dumb), and teenagers.

I agree that batteries have something to be desired but new technologies are coming around. We already deal with old batteries now, just has to be done on a larger scale.




Now on to green Jeeps.

Yes, your car has lasted 30 years, but when my car, that uses 1/5 the fuel does, cost me 1/3 the price to buy now compared to yours then and still gets me from A to B with no problems I tend to disagree that a Jeep is green.



If you can't tell I'd prefer full electric. Free driving if you have your own solar.

Expensive? Really, aside from the charging system what's expensive? Motor for electric, simpler to fix than ANY internal combustion motor and far less expensive. Moving parts=3. Rotor, and 2 bearings. Parts that wear, brushes, if they use brushes. As for who can do it? The general electrician can do it. I can do it, you can do it. Electric cars have been converted, built, and maintained by simple hippies (not calling hippies dumb), and teenagers. I agree that batteries have something to be desired but new technologies are coming around. We already deal with old batteries now, just has to be done on a larger scale.

Sorry but not buying it. It isn't that the hardware is uber expensive ( altho it is ) but its the software too. Then add in all the computers, electronics, and such and its simply a no go. Want great MPG's, get a Geo Metro. Or old Tercel. Or any late 80's to early 90's econo box. After all if simply getting to point A to B is the only challenge I could even suggest a horse.

Now on to green Jeeps. Yes, your car has lasted 30 years, but when my car, that uses 1/5 the fuel does, cost me 1/3 the price to buy now compared to yours then and still gets me from A to B with no problems I tend to disagree that a Jeep is green. If you can't tell I'd prefer full electric. Free driving if you have your own solar.

Full electric is simply not doable in a non urban enviroment. Rual areas will not work with these vehicles. And I have more passion for vehicles than simply point A to B transit. I will say that my current Jeeps ( a 99 TJ and a 91 Xj ) will be on the road long after any hybrid built today barring a total loss accident. And even in the even of that, parts of both of those vehicles will also live on in similar vehicles. MPG's matter naught when you consider all the effort to retool, redesign, and make a brand new vehicle from scratch. And at the end of any hybrid or electrical vehicle's life it will simply be crushed ( well some of it, the batteries will have to be "disposed" of in some enviromentally safe way) and its life cycle will end. The reason the Jeep may have been picked is, like I said earlier, the people who purchase them tend to pick though bone yards and these vehicles rarely (if ever) get crushed as a whole intact vehicle. So, I must disagree that Jeeps are not "green" even though I still believe that all this green speak and hybrid this electric that is only a marketing tool that amounts to total BS to make people feel all warm and gooey on the inside.

Another question, has anyone ever looked into where all that lithium (sp) comes from? You would be surprised, and its not renewable BTW. God forbid a war happens there :rolleyes:

Posted by jeepdave Another question, has anyone ever looked into where all that lithium (sp) comes from? You would be surprised, and its not renewable BTW. God forbid a war happens there :rolleyes:

Sudbury, ON?