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PorkChopExpress
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| | | Re: For the VW guys..... < Reply # 14 on 1/29/2011 5:38 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by bandi Know what? The Super Beetle was a better car... yeah, the "purists" hated them, because VW changed the design, but you had more trunk space, better handling, better aerodynamics... and can be had for a lot less cash. I love all 11 of mine.
| purists = elitist snobs Super Beetles were/are great cars.
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| CaptOrbit
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| The personal responsibility train left the station years ago, and you gave it the finger as you watched it leave. |
| Samurai Vehicular Lord Rick
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| | | Re: For the VW guys..... < Reply # 19 on 1/31/2011 4:28 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Agent Skelly
Good man What drives me nuts about the Jeep Purists and maybe there is an analog in the VW world, is that they will ignore parts of Jeep history and past innovations to justify their ways.
| Honestly, what was so great about a Jeep? A friend of mine has a 1951 Willys CJ3A (with a Buick 3.8L swap) and my 71 Bronco would go all the places his little Jeep would go and it would do it far more comfortably. I seem to remember that the 66-76 Bronco got voted 4x4 Of All Time so many times, it's like the Neil Peart of the off-road community. I had a 1971 Bronco half-cab and a 76 Bronco 'wagon'... the 71 was a 302 V8 and the 76 was the 200 I6. After that it was more less an F150 station wagon that, unlike the Blazer, got fucking HUGE when you tried off-roading in the woods. from our friends at Wikipedia: The original Bronco was an ORV (Off-Road Vehicle), intended to compete primarily with Jeep CJ models and the International Harvester Scout. The Bronco's small size riding on a 92-inch (2,337 mm) wheelbase made it popular for off-roading and some other uses, but impractical for such things as towing. The Bronco was Ford's first compact SUV, and Ford's compact and midsize SUV niche would be taken by the compact pickup based Ford Bronco II (1984–1990), Ford Explorer (1991–present) and the Ford Escape (2001–present). The idea behind the Bronco began with Ford product manager Donald N. Frey, who also conceived of the Ford Mustang; and similarly, Lee Iacocca pushed the idea through into production. In many ways, the Bronco was a more original concept than the Mustang; whereas the Mustang was based upon the Ford Falcon, the Bronco had a frame, suspension, and body that were not shared with any other vehicle. The Bronco was designed under engineer Paul G. Axelrad. Although the axles and brakes were sourced from the Ford F-100 four wheel drive pickup truck, the front axle was located by radius arms (from the frame near the rear of the transmission forward to the axle) and a lateral track bar, allowing the use of coil springs that gave the Bronco a 34-foot (10.4 m) turning circle, long wheel travel, and an anti-dive geometry which was useful for snowplowing. The rear suspension was more conventional, with leaf springs in a typical Hotchkiss design. A shift-on the-fly Dana Corp. transfer case and locking hubs were standard, and heavy-duty suspension was an option. The initial engine was the Ford 170 cu in (2.8 L) straight-6, modified with solid valve lifters, a 6-US-quart (6 l) oil pan, heavy-duty fuel pump, oil-bath air cleaner, and a carburetor with a float bowl compensated against tilting. Styling was subordinated to simplicity and economy, so all glass was flat, bumpers were simple C-sections, the frame was a simple box-section ladder, and the basic left and right door skins were identical except for mounting holes. The early Broncos were offered in wagon, the ever popular halfcab, and less popular roadster configurations. Roadster was dropped early and the sport package, which later became a model line, was added. The base price was only US$2,194, but the long option list included front bucket seats, a rear bench seat, a tachometer, and a CB radio, as well as functional items such as a tow bar, an auxiliary gas tank, a power take-off, a snowplow, a winch, and a posthole digger. Aftermarket accessories included campers, overdrive units, and the usual array of wheels, tires, chassis, and engine parts for increased performance. The Bronco sold well in its first year (23,776 units produced[5]) and then remained in second place after the CJ-5[6] until the advent of the full-sized Chevrolet Blazer in 1969. Lacking a dedicated small SUV platform, the Blazer was based on their existing full size pickup which was a larger and more powerful vehicle, offering greater luxury, comfort and space. The longer option list included an automatic transmission and power steering, and thus had broader appeal. Ford countered by enlarging the optional V8 engine from 289 cu in (4.7 L) and 200 hp (150 kW) to 302 cu in (4.9 L) and 205 hp (153 kW), but this still could not match the Blazer's optional350 cu in (5.7 L) and 255 hp (190 kW) (horsepower numbers are before horsepower ratings changed in the early to mid-1970s.) In 1973, the 170 was replaced by a 200 cu in (3.3 L) straight six, power steering and automatic transmissions were made optional, and sales spiked to 26,300. By then, however, Blazer sales were double those of the Bronco, and International Harvester had seen the light and come out with the Scout II that was more in the Blazer class. By 1974, the larger and more comfortable vehicles such as the Jeep Cherokee (SJ) made more sense for the average driver than the more rustically-oriented Bronco. The low sales of the Bronco (230,800 over twelve years) did not allow a large budget for upgrades, and it remained basically unchanged until the advent of the larger, more Blazer-like second generation Bronco in 1978. Production of the original model fell (14,546 units) in its last year, 1977.[5]
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