Posted by Samurai because it's bullshit. life is a big fat shit sandwich and when you die, that's it... you're back to the earth as food for other shit. End of line, mr happy. why does there have to be an afterlife? why can't someone be happy with what they've got here and get on with it. Ok, I think I've got what I want to say about this... Believing in god is like buying spiritual insurance, no? You believe in something hedging your bets that when your body shits out and you die, you'll be guaranteed a nice room and clean towels for all eternity. Faith is based on fear. It's this irrational fear of death that we seem to have... we're not going to live forever as much as you'd like to. And secondly, what's there to do in the afterlife, according to popular myth? Sit on a cloud and pay second fiddle to a cut rate deity with a chip on its shoulder and a penchant for overblown theatrics? Fuck that shit. Kill me now.

Why do people like owning performance cars? They are less safe and efficient than an economy car. Why can't they be happy with a prius and get on with it. They don't need it, it's bullshit.

Why do people use make up? Because it makes them feel good. But why can't they be happy with the way they naturally look? Why do they have to fool themselves with make up? Its bullshit.

Why do people eat lobster and steak when rice and a vitamin pill will sustain them just fine? I guess they like it but they dont need it, why cant they be happy with rice and get on with it?


Fuck man, let people be fuckin happy. It it works for them who are you to tell them to knock it off? Everything people enjoy is illogical bullshit.

Posted by Soldat Why do people like owning performance cars? They are less safe and efficient than an economy car. Why can't they be happy with a prius and get on with it. They don't need it, it's bullshit.

this a falsehood because a high performance car has larger brakes, larger wheels-tires and better suspensions which make them safer than other cars. It's some of the drivers of these cars that are unsafe. Your argument is not valid. Most drivers' of Prius appliances are idiotic and unsafe assholes. Personally, i drive a performance car because of just that, it's not an appliance.

Why do people use make up? Because it makes them feel good. But why can't they be happy with the way they naturally look? Why do they have to fool themselves with make up? Its bullshit.

that's their problem. not mine. people should be happy with how they look. Makeup is a crutch because of low-self esteem... kind of like, oh I don't know, god?

Why do people eat lobster and steak when rice and a vitamin pill will sustain them just fine? I guess they like it but they dont need it, why cant they be happy with rice and get on with it?

your argument is sucking canal water.

Fuck man, let people be fuckin happy. It it works for them who are you to tell them to knock it off? Everything people enjoy is illogical bullshit.

they can be happy... KEEP IT YOURSELVES and stop telling me how to fucking live. All will be arctic cool then. Until then, the people have the biggest mouths concerning faith are the ones telling me that if I want to marry Chuck or Larry, I'm an evil evil man with a sinister agenda. Just like politics, if religious people want to be left with their happy happy cut-rate god, they need to shut the fuck up about it and leave the rest of us alone.

Posted by Samurai they can be happy... KEEP IT YOURSELVES and stop telling me how to fucking live. All will be arctic cool then. Until then, the people have the biggest mouths concerning faith are the ones telling me that if I want to marry Chuck or Larry, I'm an evil evil man with a sinister agenda. Just like politics, if religious people want to be left with their happy happy cut-rate god, they need to shut the fuck up about it and leave the rest of us alone.

Your actions do not line up with this statement.

Within the past 24 hours I have sat here and watched you refer to people who believe in some kind of god as "irrational". You have said to believe in God makes you a fucking moron. I mean really? Seriously? Nobody on this thread or any others for that matter ahs tried to tell anyone how to live their lives. We are just stating what we believe, not what we think you should(in fact, the only camp forcing beliefs in this thread is the atheist community). Touching on your comment on same sex marriage. I also have not seen anyone say anything to teh effect that you should not be able to do so.

No disrespect, man. But what you wrote there, you know its hot air, because your words do not line up with your recent actions

Posted by maypost in fact, the only camp forcing beliefs in this thread is the atheist community

I'm with you on most everything you're saying, but no one here is forcing anything on anyone. Saying that people are idiots for believing in idiotic things is still just an opinion. The only people in America forcing beliefs based on religion are our politicians.

Posted by MutantMandias I'm with you on most everything you're saying, but no one here is forcing anything on anyone. Saying that people are idiots for believing in idiotic things is still just an opinion. The only people in America forcing beliefs based on religion are our politicians.

Touche. Bang on, I stand corrected on that part of my statement.

Posted by maypost Your actions do not line up with this statement. Within the past 24 hours I have sat here and watched you refer to people who believe in some kind of god as "irrational". You have said to believe in God makes you a fucking moron. I mean really? Seriously? Nobody on this thread or any others for that matter ahs tried to tell anyone how to live their lives. We are just stating what we believe, not what we think you should(in fact, the only camp forcing beliefs in this thread is the atheist community). Touching on your comment on same sex marriage. I also have not seen anyone say anything to teh effect that you should not be able to do so. No disrespect, man. But what you wrote there, you know its hot air, because your words do not line up with your recent actions

So?
are the post police coming to my house? do i really care what a bunch of strangers think of the things that I write? No. No more than any of you give a flying fuckarama about what I have to say. This is the beauty of the internet, kids... we talk out of our asses all we want. What's the point of even trying to argue? you don't want to hear what I have to say and i don't really care what you have to say... the modern age working for you.

fuck knows, religion has been talking out its ass for 2000+ years.

i never used to be this cynical about religion, but in the past couple of years, things have changed and i am just uber jaded about it. it think its crap just like you guys think its crap that I don't believe in anything and dump on everyone for it.

i was once told that its weird how unspiritual i am and i took offense to that. What does that mean? Unspiritual? Is it because I don't buy into any of the big three bullshit? is it because to me, a fat sunset or sunrise is spiritual? Is it because I see more honesty and truth in a baby's face than anything preached from the pulpit? Is it because I see through a pile of lies that have kept us enslaved to a flawed concept of belief? Is it because i am kept up at night over ideas of what faith is and why others are trying to tell me how to live (and that extends to politics as well).
Fuck it, let the hypocrisy train leave the station with me driving... I am telling you how to live. Sooner or later, there will be no room for god in this life and then maybe things will calm down and the human race can get on with it, whatever it is.

So what do you want? research? Development? or do you want me to just go and outright kill myself because my posts annoy you... i think we just like to argue and see who can out-research each other. That seems to be the name of the game... Isn't faith feeling? Why can't any of you tell me why you FEEL you need this god thing in rational terms?
WHY do you believe? WHY does the world need to be packed in a god-flavored bowl and served? Why can't science suffice to explain it all?

What if you die and you realize I was right and all your religious horseshit was for nothing? OOps, my bad.

I suppose there is a hypocrisy to me that I don't really want to mention at this late state of affairs, but fuck it, in for in a penny, in for a metric ton... i think that there is a soul. but it's nothing in the human experience that could be explained away as in religious dogma. I think that we keep coming back over and over... haven't you ever felt a tug to certain things you couldn't explain? A certain picture, or song, and you get this weird vibe inside your head... not quite deja vu, not quite memory and sometimes not pleasant? What if we're reincarnated? What if the hindu have it right and we're rocking a big cosmic wheel of karma? Live a good, full life and you advance to another plane... be a fuckstick and you come back a toad. You feeling me on this? Is this faith? Is this god? Is this a religion or just another attempt at eternity insurance? Or this another manifestation of faith-based mania? I don't fucking know. If I did, do you think I'd be sitting here talking out my ass to you people, the faceless, bobbing avatars in the electron sea of the future? Of course not... I'd have my own television show and be figuring out how to bottle and sell the next plane.

There is one thing that I will not discount and that's the concept of evil. Why? Because we are evil. Humankind is 100% evil from the moment we hatch to the moment they drop the box in the hole. It's how much we let that evil in is what defines us. It's not god that tells us not to set fire to small children and pets. It's not god that tells us that mugging old people as a sport is not a good idea. It's not god that tells us defrauding your employer (even though they're fucking you harder) is a bad idea.... it's who we are. It's what kind of people we think we and what kind of people we'd like to be. God has nothing to do with that.

once more, talking in circles fistfucking my own mind, feel free to jam your bible up my ass at any time... i'll still respect you in the morning.

Posted by maypost I DO take issue with broad general blanket statements that force entire populations into stereotype. Be it religion, skin color, or any other attribute. Its still making generalizations. THAT is what bothers me. Let the world be the world. You be you and I'll be me. to me its not logical to group large populations of people like that based on something that really does not tell us who they are as an individual. Edited for clarity

The issue, very specifically, is that certain members of Islam are committing atrocities in the name of Islam, and those atrocities are much more frequent and recent than atrocities committed by other faiths. I don't think it's really disputable that there are more Islamic terrorists right now than terrorists of any other faith. (And don't let's argue semantics about the definition of "terrorist." I'm using it in the popular context.)

But you're right, really. It's like saying blacks are criminals because blacks are over-represented in prison.

Sure, you may be coming into contact with that 1% who does want to do you harm and by all means, defend yourself and all of us against them. But don't blame islam for their actions. It's like blaming Jesus for the actions of Westboro Baptist. It's just not in any way logical.

True, but the issue is a lot more complicated. Certain elements in Islam have taken passages and ideas from the Koran and used them to incite fanatical followers to commit atrocities, whereas the vast majority of Muslims either reject violence as a way to achieve goals, believe that those passages don't really apply in a modern context (which would be troublesome, since the Koran is the direct word of God) or are metaphorical and shouldn't be taken literally.

But this really should be obvious, because we have, really, a handful of terrorists, as opposed to over a billion Muslims worldwide, plus we don't have Muslim nations waging actual war on their non-Muslim neighbors.

It's a case of a few bad apples. Unfortunately, those apples are really, really bad.

Posted by Samurai Is this a religion or just another attempt at eternity insurance?

Yeah, it's the 2nd thing.

Posted by Samurai Humankind is 100% evil from the moment we hatch to the moment they drop the box in the hole.

I disagree.

I have no idea what made you so angry in the past 2 days. But I bet it has nothing to do with UER.

Why don't you direct your anger towards whatever took the jam out of your donut?

Posted by MutantMandias I disagree.

why?

and as for me being angry? I have been angry since I was 12 years old.
i thrive on anger. It makes me happy.
the day that I stop being angry is the day that I will die.
To be honest, I have never really not been angry. Everything pisses off, but it's like, I like being pissed off.


never be satisfied and never stop being angry... keys to a good life right there.
Oh, and piss off as many people as possible because in all honesty, why not?
at least you'll be remember as someone. Everyone remembers a douchebag.

Posted by Samurai why? and as for me being angry? I have been angry since I was 12 years old. i thrive on anger. It makes me happy. the day that I stop being angry is the day that I will die. To be honest, I have never really not been angry. Everything pisses off, but it's like, I like being pissed off. never be satisfied and never stop being angry... keys to a good life right there. Oh, and piss off as many people as possible because in all honesty, why not? at least you'll be remember as someone. Everyone remembers a douchebag.

I also disagree. Humans wouldn't have gotten as far as we have without cooperation and mutual assistance. Competition only works for so long.

Posted by splumer I also disagree. Humans wouldn't have gotten as far as we have without cooperation and mutual assistance. Competition only works for so long.

co-operation and mutual assistance for what? Whatever was in our best interests at the time... after that, here have a frosty glass of fuck off.

and competition is the name of the game, kids.

"Take a deep breath and count to ten,
Think of all the nice places that I've been.
Take a deep breath and count to ten,
Ain't gonna let it get under my skin."
Careful With That Mic - Clutch

Posted by Samurai co-operation and mutual assistance for what? Whatever was in our best interests at the time... after that, here have a frosty glass of fuck off. and competition is the name of the game, kids.

I've had this conversation with Jeepdave before. Yeah, you might be pretty self-sufficient, until you get sick and need a doctor, or need a mechanic for your car, or need clothes, or need food and don't raise and slaughter your own pigs, etc. Yeah, you can be a hermit in a cave, but if had done that since the early days, where would be today? How much UE would you have done if someone hadn't said "Hey, check this place out!" Enlightened self-interest.

You people act like you have priests banging your door down and telling you how to live your life.

You don't, you are crybabies, please grow up.

It is also seems you people just love ragging on something which gives millions of people so much happiness just because you are miserable and angry over personal bullshit. Its pathetic.

Posted by Soldat You people act like you have priests banging your door down and telling you how to live your life. You don't, you are crybabies, please grow up.

Here in the Bible Belt we practically do. My home state Kansas, despite it's proud Free State history, is constantly trying to push religion into the schools and people's private lives - constantly! Fucking Sam Brownback is now the governer - he might as well be a priest, as much as he acts all pure as driven snow, and he's the guy running stuff.

Posted by Esoterik Here in the Bible Belt we practically do. My home state Kansas, despite it's proud Free State history, is constantly trying to push religion into the schools and people's private lives - constantly! Fucking Sam Brownback is now the governer - he might as well be a priest, as much as he acts all pure as driven snow, and he's the guy running stuff.

So go after the people bible thumping and Sam Brownback to change it rather than pissing all over the faith of everybody in the world online like it is going to make a difference.

Or move somewhere less retarded.

Weird, I live in WV, a VERY evanelical area. I get "bible knockers" all the time. I tell them "I am Jewish, my path is set but thanks for your time" They always say, ok, sorry to bother you, have a nice day" then I never hear back from them again. I have NEVER been bothered by the same church twice

Posted by Soldat You people act like you have priests banging your door down and telling you how to live your life. You don't, you are crybabies, please grow up. It is also seems you people just love ragging on something which gives millions of people so much happiness just because you are miserable and angry over personal bullshit. Its pathetic.

Every day for the last few weeks, a local news story has been about how the new governor has said that he would sign a bill allowing counties to vote to decide if there could be alcohol sales on Sunday.

He only said this because the previous governor had said that he wouldn't even consider signing such a bill.

But, we can all relax, because, glory be to GOD ALMIGHTY, the blessed politicians have blocked any and every attempt to introduce such a bill.

Note. I don't drink, and think anyone who would be be upset because they couldn't buy alcohol on Sunday is pathetic, but I am sickened by the fact that GOD has decreed how our government behaves.

Posted by MutantMandias Every day for the last few weeks, a local news story has been about how the new governor has said that he would sign a bill allowing counties to vote to decide if there could be alcohol sales on Sunday. He only said this because the previous governor had said that he wouldn't even consider signing such a bill. But, we can all relax, because, glory be to GOD ALMIGHTY, the blessed politicians have blocked any and every attempt to introduce such a bill. Note. I don't drink, and think anyone who would be be upset because they couldn't buy alcohol on Sunday is pathetic, but I am sickened by the fact that GOD has decreed how our government behaves.

Yeah, where the hell is the ACLU on that one?!?!