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VATICAN CITY – Pope Benedict XVI has made a sweeping exoneration of the Jewish people for the death of Jesus Christ, tackling one of the most controversial issues in Christianity in a new book.

In "Jesus of Nazareth-Part II" excerpts released Wednesday, Benedict explains biblically and theologically why there is no basis in Scripture for the argument that the Jewish people as a whole were responsible for Jesus' death.

Interpretations to the contrary have been used for centuries to justify the persecution of Jews.

While the Catholic Church has for five decades taught that Jews weren't collectively responsible, Jewish scholars said Wednesday the argument laid out by the German-born pontiff, who has had his share of mishaps with Jews, was a landmark statement from a pope that would help fight anti-Semitism today.

"Holocaust survivors know only too well how the centuries-long charge of 'Christ killer' against the Jews created a poisonous climate of hate that was the foundation of anti-Semitic persecution whose ultimate expression was realized in the Holocaust," said Elan Steinberg of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants.

The pope's book, he said, not only confirms church teaching refuting the deicide charge "but seals it for a new generation of Catholics."

The Catholic Church issued its most authoritative teaching on the issue in its 1965 Second Vatican Council document "Nostra Aetate," which revolutionized the church's relations with Jews by saying Christ's death could not be attributed to Jews as a whole at the time or today.

Benedict comes to the same conclusion, but he explains how with a thorough, Gospel-by-Gospel analysis that leaves little doubt that he deeply and personally believes it to be the case: That only a few Temple leaders and a small group of supporters were primarily responsible for Christ's crucifixion.

That Benedict is a theologian makes "this statement from the Holy See that much more significant for now and for future generations," said Anti-Defamation League national director, Abraham H. Foxman.

Foxman in a statement hailed Benedict for rejecting "the previous teachings and perversions that have helped to foster and reinforce anti-Semitism through the centuries."

The book is the second installment to Benedict's 2007 "Jesus of Nazareth," his first book as pope, which offered a very personal meditation on the early years of Christ's life and teachings. This second book, set to be released March 10, concerns the final part of Christ's life, his death and resurrection.

The Vatican's publishers provided a few excerpts Wednesday.

In the book, Benedict re-enacts Jesus' final hours, including his death sentence for blasphemy, then analyzes each Gospel account to explain why Jews as a whole cannot be blamed for it. Rather, Benedict concludes, it was the "Temple aristocracy" and a few supporters of the figure Barabbas who were responsible.

"How could the whole people have been present at this moment to clamor for Jesus' death?" Benedict asks.

He deconstructs one particular biblical account which has the crowd saying, "His blood be on us and on our children" — a phrase frequently cited as evidence of the collective guilt Jews bore and the curse that they carried as a result.

The phrase, from the Gospel of Matthew, has been so incendiary that director Mel Gibson was reportedly forced to drop it from the subtitles of his 2004 film "The Passion of the Christ," although it remained in the spoken Aramaic.

But Benedict said Jesus' death wasn't about punishment, but rather salvation. Jesus' blood, he said, "does not cry out for vengeance and punishment, it brings reconciliation. It is not poured out against anyone, it is poured out for many, for all."

Benedict, who was forced to join the Hitler Youth as a child in Nazi Germany, has made improving relations with Jews a priority of his pontificate. He has visited the Auschwitz Nazi death camp in Poland and Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial.

But he also has had a few missteps that have drawn the ire of Jewish groups, most notably when in 2009 he lifted the excommunication of a traditionalist Catholic bishop who had denied the extent of the Holocaust by saying no Jews were gassed during World War II.

Benedict has said that had he known Bishop Richard Williamson's views about Jews he never would have lifted the excommunication, which was imposed in 1988 because Williamson was consecrated without papal consent. Williamson is a member of the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X, which has rejected many Vatican II teachings, including the outreach to Jews contained in Nostra Aetate.

Separately, Jewish groups have been outraged that Benedict is moving Pope Pius XII closer to beatification, the first main hurdle to possible sainthood. Some Jews and historians have argued the World War II-era pope should have done more to prevent the Holocaust.

The Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit who writes frequently about spirituality, said the pope's new book was a "ringing reaffirmation" of Nostra Aetate, which was passed during the Second Vatican Council, with the pope putting his "personal stamp on it in a way that's irrefutable."

"A Vatican Council is the highest teaching authority of the church," Martin said. "Now that you have the pope's reflections underlining it, I don't know how much more authoritative you can get."

Rabbi David Rosen, head of interreligious affairs at the American Jewish Committee and a leader of Vatican-Jewish dialogue, said the pope's book may make a bigger, more lasting mark than Nostra Aetate because the faithful tend to read Scripture and commentary more than church documents, particularly old church documents.

"It may be an obvious thing for Jews to present texts with commentaries, but normally with church magisterium, they present a document," he said. "This is a pedagogical tool that he's providing, so people will be able to interpret the text in keeping with orthodox Vatican teaching."





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persecution of the jews had nothing to do with religion.

We covered this in another thread somewhere..




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persecution of the jews had nothing to do with religion.

We covered this in another thread somewhere..


Buuuuuuut

The Jews have been persecuted for a few thousand years before anything mentioned in this article.

The Nazi Holocaust = Not religious -- This I 100% agree with...

However...

Countless other persecutions of the Jewish people were in fact driven by religion.




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i'm sure the Jews are going 'la di fucking da... eat an uncircumcised prick, you funny-hat wearin' asshole!'



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OK, Jews may be innocent of killing Christ (we must now re-open that crime file) but they're still on the hook for 9/11 and the Wall Street fraud/recession (until proven innocent by the Pope).




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OK, I might be stupid, but didn't the Romans kill Jesus? Shouldn't we persecute Italians instead?




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OK, I might be stupid, but didn't the Romans kill Jesus? Shouldn't we persecute Italians instead?


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Isn't it because the Romans had blasphemy laws? And any religious group that made a clamor over someone offending their religion, whatever it was, could demand justice? May be off but I think that's how it went. The Jews complained, demanded Jesus be punished, and the Romans were willing to go along since they could do away with a troublemaker while "washing their hands" of any blame.



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Does it really matter who did it, or which modern ethnic group we can tie them to in order to blame someone?
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I never understood any anger towards the Jews, since they simply helped Jesus in his work. Jesus HAD to die for us. There was no way around that.




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It's always fine and dandy to let someone else get nailed to a cross and die for your sins...




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I never understood any anger towards the Jews, since they simply helped Jesus in his work. Jesus HAD to die for us. There was no way around that.


Yeah. There are some great moral lessons to be learned from the crucifiction fiction.

Like the best way to show you care is to kill your kid - by having him nailed to some wood.

Or maybe that two wrongs make a right.


Of course maybe the christian enmity toward the jews stems from something like thier denial of jesus' divinity. If you really believed that jesus is the messiah, like christians profess to, being told he is NOT might present a problem for you both. Who is right?

Of course the doctrine of anti-semitism might come from the bible itself:

John

8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they [the jews] to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

It has been officially sanctioned by the church for centuries:


Jews were routinely murdered in medievil europe bacuase they were accused of "host desecration". In the catholic dogma from the 4th lateran council of 1215 the doctrine of transubstantiation was introduced where, it was explained, that jesus actually inhabited the host.

So the fear was that heretics, especially jews would capture and torture the crackers. The crime of "host desecration" or cracker torture was punished by death.

1021: Rome suffered through both an earthquake and hurricane on Good Friday of that year. Some Jews were charged with having caused the disaster driving a nail through a stolen host. They were tortured until they confessed; they were then burned alive.
1215: The Fourth Lateran Council in Rome declared the belief in transubstantiation. This established the theological basis for the host desecration myth.
1243: All Jews in Berlitz, Germany were burned alive for allegedly torturing a stolen host
1308: The Bishop of Strasbourg charged Jews in Sulzmatt and Rufach with host desecration. They were burned alive.
1370: Jews in Brabant, Belgium, were accused of defiling the host and were burned alive.
1389: Jews in Prague were accused of attacking a monk carrying a wafer. All of the Jews in the city were offered the choice of conversion to Christianity or death. They were all killed.
1399: A rabbi and 13 elders in Posen, Poland, were charged with stabbing the host and tossing it into a pit. They were slowly roasted to death. Some townspeople believed that the host had bled.


The only odd thing is that the church is just now getting around to officially saying this is not reasonable behavior.

Of course nothin like this would happen in modern times.

In the mid 1990's in Ontario and a catholic parish accused members of being satanists posing as church members so they could steal the host and torture it.




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1021: Rome suffered through both an earthquake and hurricane on Good Friday of that year. Some Jews were charged with having caused the disaster driving a nail through a stolen host. They were tortured until they confessed; they were then burned alive.
1215: The Fourth Lateran Council in Rome declared the belief in transubstantiation. This established the theological basis for the host desecration myth.
1243: All Jews in Berlitz, Germany were burned alive for allegedly torturing a stolen host
1308: The Bishop of Strasbourg charged Jews in Sulzmatt and Rufach with host desecration. They were burned alive.
1370: Jews in Brabant, Belgium, were accused of defiling the host and were burned alive.
1389: Jews in Prague were accused of attacking a monk carrying a wafer. All of the Jews in the city were offered the choice of conversion to Christianity or death. They were all killed.
1399: A rabbi and 13 elders in Posen, Poland, were charged with stabbing the host and tossing it into a pit. They were slowly roasted to death. Some townspeople believed that the host had bled.



Jews loaned money on interest. The Christians, getting deep into debt, decided it would be easier to kill their debtors instead of repaying their loans. And when they killed off the Jewish community they got to seize their property - score! A reason was needed, so they came up with blood libel and the host desecration myth.





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Jews loaned money on interest. The Christians, getting deep into debt, decided it would be easier to kill their debtors instead of repaying their loans. And when they killed off the Jewish community they got to seize their property - score! A reason was needed, so they came up with blood libel and the host desecration myth.




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I never understood any anger towards the Jews, since they simply helped Jesus in his work. Jesus HAD to die for us. There was no way around that.


There's that, too. I forget which comedian it was, but he said Christian should LOVE Jews for killing Jesus, because if they didn't, Jesus would have never risen, etc. It might have been George Carlin.


Like the best way to show you care is to kill your kid - by having him nailed to some wood.


I think it's the whole martyrdom thing. It doesn't really make sense to me, either.




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