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 No Dynamics
Location: Toronto
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 |  |  | Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
< on 10/28/2005 4:14 AM >
|  | | | I was just at the Brickworks tonight with a friend, and we heard a guy pacing around on the roof. We stopped and were silent for about five minutes or so. Then we went about our business in the main room. When we came back to the spot where we had entered, we heard him again, and he seemed to be dragging a pipe. We stopped again and turned off the flashlight. Then we saw him walk across the bridge leading to the roof. It was then that we SAW the pipe. He waited up on the roof, looking onto the pseudo-courtyard, and watched us leave. Anyway, this story has little point other than to say that I had the shit freaked out of me.
Does anyone know who this may be? Does he live there? Has anyone had any run-ins?
Do tell.
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| | Re: Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
<Reply # 1 on 10/28/2005 4:17 AM >
| | | | There is a homeless man that lives there, yes. I don't know if he's angry or not. From what I hear he is okay. Most of those barricades blocking entrances in there are ones that he has built. That may explain the pipe.
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| | | Re: Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
<Reply # 2 on 10/28/2005 4:39 AM >
| | | | I think you might of run into one of the construction workers. Their doing work on that section. I've seen a few walk up those stairs over the alley.
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chairsmissing
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| | | Re: Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
<Reply # 3 on 10/28/2005 1:57 PM >
| | | | yes, there is a homeless guy that's been living there for quite some time. i haven't talked to him in awhile but last time i did he was very friendly. he does barricade up various entrances.
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Alpha Husky
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| | | Re: Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
<Reply # 4 on 10/28/2005 3:52 PM >
| | | | He's making a claim to squatters rights, says he's been there 10 years. He's only been there maybe 2 years.
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yokes
 
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| |  | | Re: Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
<Reply # 5 on 10/28/2005 5:13 PM >
| | | | I could be mistaken, but I believe that in Canada there is no such thing as legally recognized squatters rights (as there are in, say, England).
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| | | Re: Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
<Reply # 6 on 10/28/2005 5:49 PM >
| | | | There most certainly is -- an acquaintance of mine moved into a new house and discovered that his neighbors fence was on his side of the property by about 2 feet. He tried to get them to move it, but they claimed squatters rights.
He won eventually, but it was a long and drawn-out battle.
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yokes
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| | | | Re: Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
<Reply # 7 on 10/28/2005 6:08 PM >
| | | | They may have claimed it, but I would be surprised if they won on those grounds. There is no legal right, for example, to squat on Crown land and I would be surprised if the same right of ownership does not extend to private land ownership.
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mortimer
Location: teronno
| | | Re: Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
<Reply # 8 on 10/28/2005 7:48 PM >
| | | | Legalities aside, as someone residing there for an unspecified period encompassing anywhere from 2 to 10 years, I believe morally the resident at the Brickworks has more rights to it than any of us, and so if he wants to be angry and drag a pipe around, more power to him. I'll move to a different section of the buildings and go back another day.
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yokes
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| | | | Re: Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
<Reply # 9 on 10/28/2005 7:54 PM >
| | | | Because, and only because, the place is public property, I would say that is a reasonable position to hold. And of course, everyone else also has the same rights to also move in to the space. And none of us has the right to defend the space as their own further than defending themselves against actual physical harm by other visitors to the site.
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| | Re: Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
<Reply # 10 on 10/28/2005 8:12 PM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
There most certainly is -- an acquaintance of mine moved into a new house and discovered that his neighbors fence was on his side of the property by about 2 feet. He tried to get them to move it, but they claimed squatters rights. |
More likely they claimed it was a "prescriptive easement".
An easement is a situation where somebody has the right to use, in specific ways, property that you own. Easements are what allow airlines to fly through your airspace and utilities to run wires and pipes through your land.
A prescriptive easement may occur when someone other than the landowner makes habitual use of the landowner's property, and the landowner fails to assert his ownership in a timely manner. These kind of easements are typically what allow one farmer to cut across another's land in order to reach a distant field, or for local residents to go down a cottager's road to reach the lake.
I'll guess that the previous owner of your acquaintance's home told the neighbor that he didn't mind if the fence was moved over a couple of feet, then failed to mention this to your acquaintance at the time of sale.
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And on the sign it said “No Trespassing.”
But on the other side it didn’t say nothing, That side was made for you and me. - Woody Guthrie, "This Land Is Your Land" |
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mortimer
Location: teronno
| | | Re: Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
<Reply # 11 on 10/28/2005 8:51 PM >
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| Because, and only because, the place is public property, I would say that is a reasonable position to hold. And of course, everyone else also has the same rights to also move in to the space. And none of us has the right to defend the space as their own further than defending themselves against actual physical harm by other visitors to the site. |
Well, almost none of us actually has the right to be inside the Brickworks buildings, or any other abandoned place, so public property or not, residents (who usually have nowhere else to live - and let's not start a debate on homeless shelters) should be afforded a bit more respect and privacy than other explorers encountered during a visit.
Just for comparison, when I camp in an unorganized campground (like the French River for example), I'm camping on land that any visitor to the park is technically allowed to visit. However, most campers are considerate and don't go wandering through my campsite when there's plenty of other space around. We nod, sometimes make small talk, and everyone's happy. Same idea - I was at the site first, I have "more" rights to it than someone paddling by, and generally everyone respects that.
I also don't recall anyone saying there was any defending being done, the guy was just wandering around with a pipe making noise. I would assume he was simply establishing the fact that he was able to defend himself should the need arise, as the majority of after-dark visitors to the brickworks are (pardon the sweeping generalization, but it's true) drunk and/or high teenagers looking to cause some sort of shit.
That's all I was saying.
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yokes
Location: Toronto
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| | | | Re: Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
<Reply # 12 on 10/28/2005 9:09 PM >
| | | | Posted by mortimer
Well, almost none of us actually has the right to be inside the Brickworks buildings, or any other abandoned place, so public property or not, residents (who usually have nowhere else to live - and let's not start a debate on homeless shelters) should be afforded a bit more respect and privacy than other explorers encountered during a visit. |
I'm in complete agreement. Since I'm not the property owner, who am I to say who uses a piece of property. I will treat them with respect and expect to be treated accordingly. Where I'd have a problem would be if the "resident" of the site sought to deny me the same access to the property they expect to have (within reason. I wouldn't expect to visit their sleeping quarters, for example). Just as I am not the property owner and can't say no to them, the same applies to them.
| Just for comparison, when I camp in an unorganized campground (like the French River for example), I'm camping on land that any visitor to the park is technically allowed to visit. However, most campers are considerate and don't go wandering through my campsite when there's plenty of other space around. We nod, sometimes make small talk, and everyone's happy. Same idea - I was at the site first, I have "more" rights to it than someone paddling by, and generally everyone respects that. |
And I agree. But you wouldn't expect to have a reasonable claim to prevent someone else from pitching their tent or otherwise enjoy the areas nearby, would you?
| I also don't recall anyone saying there was any defending being done, the guy was just wandering around with a pipe making noise. I would assume he was simply establishing the fact that he was able to defend himself should the need arise, as the majority of after-dark visitors to the brickworks are (pardon the sweeping generalization, but it's true) drunk and/or high teenagers looking to cause some sort of shit. |
Fair enough.. I assumed it was being done in a threatening manner, and not a "just so you know, there is someone up here" intent. If that is the case, as a warning, then again I'm in complete agreement. If it was meant in as a threat, then we might not agree.
Its all good.
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Guy With Hat
Location: Toronto
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<Reply # 13 on 10/29/2005 2:40 AM >
| | | | I think the guy's name is like Steve or Mike or something like that. I don't like him much. I'll leave it at that.
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Guy With Hat
Location: Toronto
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| | | | Re: Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
<Reply # 15 on 10/30/2005 3:25 AM >
| | | | Stupid Rosedale kids. Between them and the homeless guy, it's a surprise the place hasn't totally burned down.
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| | | Re: Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
<Reply # 16 on 10/30/2005 8:06 AM >
| | | | Posted by 773H...right after the "rave" I guess...
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(773H) it wasn't a rave but definitely could have made him on edge. Read the Oct 28 post
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johnnyluv
Location: Mississauga
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| | Re: Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
<Reply # 17 on 10/30/2005 7:45 PM >
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Sorry David thread doesnt work for me.....am i the only one?
If there has been no reports of this guy doing anything other then living there for shelter then as a tax payer i have no issue with that. Every place needs a caretaker.
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No Dynamics
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
<Reply # 18 on 10/31/2005 1:28 PM >
| | | | Posted by Guy With Hat
Stupid Rosedale kids. Between them and the homeless guy, it's a surprise the place hasn't totally burned down.
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I co-organized the show there on Friday. I am not from Rosedale.
How is it surprising that the place hasn't burned down? Hardly anything in there is flammable. It's fucking bricks and concrete and metal, all lathered in asbestos dust, which itself is a fire retardant.
The show was beautiful. Nine bands played and all were amazing. The sound in the main room was shockingly good.
Here's a link to the stillepost.ca thread: http://stillepost.....php?topic=21356.0
I do feel bad about the beer bottles people left behind (although, really, it wasn't that many), so I will promise to go clean them up at some point this week. We didn't do it when we left because it was 8 in the morning and we were cold and hungry and tired and had been there for 10 hours.
And while I do sympathize with the homeless man who lives there (who didn't show up at any point during the show), he cannot lay claim to the entire factory. First off, he shouldn't be living there at all. It's a great detriment to his health. The air is fucking horrible. Regardless, he usually seems to sleep in the room on the south side, where the mountains of dirt are. Using the aforementioned camp analogy, it is perfectly justifiable to stay away from this area. But the rest of the place is up for grabs.
Finally, with my initial post asking whether the pipe-wielding fellow was "angry", I wasn't trying to insinuate that he was, in fact, angry. I was just trying to suss out the situation to get a better idea of his perspective and potential intentions with said pipe. I fully understand and sympathize with his seeming defensive stance.
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mortimer
Location: teronno
| | | Re: Is there an angry guy who lives at the Brickworks?
<Reply # 19 on 10/31/2005 3:21 PM >
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| I co-organized the show there on Friday. I am not from Rosedale. |
My sympathies, that's a horrible accusation to be hit with, although I believe the comment was more a general one, regarding the regular overnight visitors that quite often start huge bonfires in or beside the buildings. Usually it's outside, under the roof right at the very back between the active and inactive buildings, and the boarding over the entrances usually seems to be the fuel of choice.
Anyway, congrats on pulling off what sounds like a cool event. I'm glad whenever I see abandoned places put to some sort of creative use, whether it's the setting for photos, paintings or performance. Wish I could have been there.
I read through a bit of the thread on the other site, and just as a bit of advice to whomever started the thread (I'm not sure who you are on that board), linking to other people's photos without permission, or giving them credit, is not cool. The link probably stopped working because the photographer wasn't asked, and probably didn't want his work associated with a party in the Brickworks. Whether it was a positive event or just a drugged-up rave doesn't matter, you gotta ask before you can use other people's work, and understand that serious photographers don't give up copyright just because an image is posted on their website.
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