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 fedge
    
Location: Gaud Corners, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
you blight up my life™®
 |  |  | Oshawa: The New Detroit
< on 11/22/2005 7:09 PM >
|  | | | Nearly 3,900 prime jobs in southern Ontario will disappear over the next three years under the roadmap to profitability General Motors Corp. laid out yesterday.
Of those 3,900 jobs, practically all of them will disappear from the Oshawa plant. Already Oshawa Council is submitting a motion to re-name the faltering city New Detroit.
With all the lay offs from GM, it'll also effect job loss in other businesses that reside in the Oshawa area. The true number of jobless people including likely thousands of GM-reliant workers could be well over 10 or 20 thousand!
Yes, it's a dark day for GM and its employees but looking ahead regarding the UE aspects, Oshawa could easily be a UE goldmine, with residents and businesses leaving for better pastures...
http://www.toronto...2/1317593-sun.html
18-odd Years Of UER-ing! |
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Agent Skelly
    
Web Sheriff
Location: Oregon Territory
Gender: Male
Prenez De L'Avance Avec Chrysler!
| |  |  | | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 1 on 11/22/2005 7:17 PM >
| | | | I'm scratching my head at why GM is going to close Oshawa in 2008.
My sources at GM (I have a friend who works at the Janesville, WI plant) said a while back GM wanted to transfer more car manufacturing to Oshawa because its operating costs were cheaper than other plants .
Well actually reading the TO Sun article now, it seems like they are actually going to close Plant 1 and Project Beacon will take on Plant 2.
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marrjos
Location: Owen Sound, Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 2 on 11/22/2005 9:27 PM >
| | | | I heard that the Oshawa plant makes the best quality vehicles out of all the GM plants yet they are still closing it down.
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Agent Skelly
Web Sheriff
Location: Oregon Territory
Gender: Male
Prenez De L'Avance Avec Chrysler!
| | | | | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 3 on 11/22/2005 9:31 PM >
| | | | Posted by marrjos
I heard that the Oshawa plant makes the best quality vehicles out of all the GM plants yet they are still closing it down.
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I can attest to that....RGIS (the company I work for if have not heard) uses GM fleet vehicles and we have like at least 100,000 on most of them.
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mortimer
Location: teronno
| | | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 4 on 11/22/2005 9:40 PM >
| | | | They're closing one of the two Oshawa plants, and eliminating one of the shifts at the other one. I'm not sure which one of the two was rated the top one, but one would assume that the workers at the company's top-rated plant would be getting paid the most, and would therefore be ripe for replacement in a lovely Mexican factory.
yep. |
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Agent Skelly
Web Sheriff
Location: Oregon Territory
Gender: Male
Prenez De L'Avance Avec Chrysler!
| | | | | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 5 on 11/22/2005 9:44 PM >
| | | | Posted by mortimer
They're closing one of the two Oshawa plants, and eliminating one of the shifts at the other one. I'm not sure which one of the two was rated the top one, but one would assume that the workers at the company's top-rated plant would be getting paid the most, and would therefore be ripe for replacement in a lovely Mexican factory.
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What cars are made in GM's Mexican plants? I can't think of any off the top of my head.
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mortimer
Location: teronno
| | | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 6 on 11/22/2005 9:51 PM >
| | | | Sorry, my sarcasm doesn't come across well on the interweb...just meant that it would seem like the large corporation-like thing to do, firing the highest-paid workers (sorry, 'laying off') and shipping the production somewhere with lax labour and environmental laws...you know, the general corporate policy that give all of us places to explore.
yep. |
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Jonsered
Location: Back in New Mexico where I belong
Gender: Male
Dressed for a scarecrow ball.........
| |  | | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 7 on 11/22/2005 9:56 PM >
| | | | Posted by Agent Skelly
What cars are made in GM's Mexican plants? I can't think of any off the top of my head.
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A-body types, such as:
Chevrolet Celebrity
Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera
Buick Century
Pontiac 6000
100,000 a year plus. Wards says they are gearing up for W-body production as well.
I have changed my personal exploring ethics code. From now on it will be: "Take only aimed shots, leave only hobo corpses." Copper scrappers, meth heads and homeless beware. The Jonsered cometh among you, bringing fear and dread.
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Agent Skelly
Web Sheriff
Location: Oregon Territory
Gender: Male
Prenez De L'Avance Avec Chrysler!
| | | | | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 8 on 11/22/2005 9:56 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jonsered
A-body types, such as:
Chevrolet Celebrity
Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera
Buick Century
Pontiac 6000
100,000 a year plus. Wards says they are gearing up for W-body production as well.
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Go figure...its the cars that no one drives anyways....
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 9 on 11/22/2005 9:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by Agent Skelly
Go figure...its the cars that no one drives anyways....
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Oldsmobile - gone.
Buick - gone if they do not turn around their sagging profits.
Abandoned |
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nostra-YOUPPI!
Umpire
Location: Shahre:'on Kaybec
Bonsoir et cest partie
| | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 10 on 11/22/2005 10:00 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jonsered
A-body types, such as:
Chevrolet Celebrity
Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera
Buick Century
Pontiac 6000
100,000 a year plus. Wards says they are gearing up for W-body production as well.
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the chevy cavalier and sunfire were also mexican or lordstown built, had one of each and believe it or not id take the mexcican over the lordstown any day
Montreal Expos 1969-2004 Forever Proud Lets Keep The Dream Alive |
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nostra-YOUPPI!
Umpire
Location: Shahre:'on Kaybec
Bonsoir et cest partie
| | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 11 on 11/22/2005 10:02 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jonsered
A-body types, such as:
Chevrolet Celebrity
Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera
Buick Century
Pontiac 6000
100,000 a year plus. Wards says they are gearing up for W-body production as well.
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these were also built at the ste-therese quebec plant until the re tooling to make fire birds and camaros, the mexicans were plagued with paint delamination.
Montreal Expos 1969-2004 Forever Proud Lets Keep The Dream Alive |
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Dukkah
Gender: Male
good nor bad, happy nor sad, dark nor light.... I am this! Dukkah is the word for it.
| | | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 12 on 11/22/2005 11:44 PM >
| | | | i recall hearing in the new's earlier this summer that GM got a huge grant from the canadian or at least the provincial government for development and such and it was going to make around 500 jobs. but i guess not oh well soon it will be some where to go and check out.  nice
If you cannot help,
Atleast do not harm.
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CopySix
Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
Agent of the System
| | | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 13 on 11/23/2005 1:05 AM >
| | | | A very sad day indeed.
After school, I vowed never to get a job in the automotive manufacturing sector.
Within the year, I was pulling down some decent coin in this sector (thank goodness with 3 kids and hungry pets). This fun did not stop for almost 12 years.
I would constantly update myself on the market conditions and hope I was still working the next year.
I'm just glad I jumped ship when I did to get a job with the province.
Everyone should agree that the health of the community, and that ultimately of the province depends upon a balanced economic base of manufacturing and service industry. Since most big industry has evaporated from Barrie, I can now depend upon my kids getting a low-paying service job flipping burgers or Walmart (or worse - flipping burgers at Walmart).
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rainman8889
Location: H.T.S.F.C. Time to gain and a time to lose.
Bye for now.
| | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 14 on 11/23/2005 2:05 AM >
| | | | This really sucks. Growing up in Oshawa has left me with lots of ties and friends who work at the Motors.
Prior to that, Oshawa had a wide variety of industry there, The Fittings Plant (metal foundry that produced practically every thing made of steel), Williams Piano Works (made pianos), Pedlar People (which produced numerous metal products like the sections for tin ceilings) to name a few so Oshawa was not a one industry town. These companies are long gone and their plants were really neat to check out. Maybe it's time to go back to the time when there was a variety of different businesses producing different products. It scares me to think that a whole community can let itself become reliant on one industry to its detriment.
Gone for a while. Be back when I'm back. |
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oshawa.spirit.seekers
| | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 15 on 11/23/2005 2:07 AM >
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Hi I live and work here in Oshawa in the auto industry..Nobody even seen this coming or new about it..I personally dont work at G.M, but I work at a sub-assembly plant for them..Everything we build gets used by them on the next shift..They say for every 1 G.M job lost ,its 7 more jobs from the feeder plants in the area, so 1000 in 2006 theres 8000 jobs lost,closure in 2008 another 2700 theres 21600 more jobs for a total of 29600 jobs gone. Then theres all of the other spin off markets in the area...We truly are the next " FLINT, MICHIGAN "
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rainman8889
Location: H.T.S.F.C. Time to gain and a time to lose.
Bye for now.
| | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 16 on 11/23/2005 2:09 AM >
| | | | Crazy as it seems but this could pose a business opportunity for other manufacturers. Done right, this can be very profitable. And I don't mean putting up more butt ugly condos or sardine subdivisions.
Gone for a while. Be back when I'm back. |
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oddspot
Location: Small Town Alberta
Gender: Male
| | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 17 on 11/23/2005 2:15 PM >
| | | | All as a result of GM (and Ford's) inability to project future impact of high wages and benefit costs in years gone by. Now they're FUBAR'd and can't afford the cost of people who don't work for them anymore.....and it's going to kill the American auto market. Call that a big fat....oh shit!!!
Now the Japanese and Koreans are showing the Americans how to do it right...and doing it here!
Even A Genius Has Questions!?!
I do things because I choose to, not because I have to. My Life, My Rules - No Exceptions! |
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Swamp Thing
Location: Elsewhere
Not a real user.
| | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 18 on 11/23/2005 3:36 PM >
| | | | Posted by rainman8889
Crazy as it seems but this could pose a business opportunity for other manufacturers. Done right, this can be very profitable. And I don't mean putting up more butt ugly condos or sardine subdivisions.
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Where are the Canadian entrepreneurs who will start up a real (i.e. not Bricklin) Canadian car company?
Here's a state-of-the-art plant plus 3,900 trained, quality-proven workers up for grabs. Bombardier has file cabinets full of car designs to choose from.
Maybe the entrepreneurs are afraid they'll suffer the Avro treatment — shut down by the government for building something our American "friends" failed to.
As I went walking, I saw a sign there,
And on the sign it said “No Trespassing.”
But on the other side it didn’t say nothing, That side was made for you and me. - Woody Guthrie, "This Land Is Your Land" |
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mortimer
Location: teronno
| | | Re: Oshawa: The New Detroit
<Reply # 19 on 11/23/2005 4:57 PM >
| | | | | Where are the Canadian entrepreneurs who will start up a real (i.e. not Bricklin) Canadian car company? |
I think Belinda Stronach might have some spare time in the new year...
yep. |
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