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1 2 3 4   UER Forum > Archived UE Main > Why I must say Goodbye for now! (Viewed 3780 times) shellyl  Location: Lenoir NC Gender: Female I have learned not sweat the petty things and not to pet the sweaty things.  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 20 on 2/27/2006 1:46 AM >   OMG They state that the laws are in place in the best interest of the child. Worst case, take both parents away from the child. Now that really sounds like it is in the best interest of the child, how insane that is. My prayers and heart go out to you and your family. Best of luck. A mirage is not an optical illusion. It is a real phenomenon, and one can take photographs of it. The interpretation of the image, however, is up to the fantasy of the human mind. eidolon  Location: Köln, Nordrhein-Westfalen  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 21 on 2/27/2006 1:47 AM >   What a lovely system we have here... ex-goose-villager  Location: Canada Gender: Male  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 22 on 2/27/2006 3:03 AM >   Posted by Walking Talking Poison Thanks for all the support guys, I do appreciate it. Unfortunately after spending all day looking up the laws, I dont think this is going to be a fun fight. They can, at their discretion, arrest you for ONE absence if they want to. Also every case I find where this issue was fought, it was lost. Not to mention, each count is punishable by both $1000 fine and 1 year in prison. My husband and I both have 3 counts so we are facing 3 years each. This is going to be a very long battle Legal Complaints Legal Intake Procedures Thank you for contacting the ACLU of Indiana. Please be sure to read the “Can We Help?” section of this website before submitting a request for legal assistance. Our limited staff and financial resources prevent us from conducting office interviews; therefore we ask that you submit all information in writing. Mail, fax or email your request for legal assistance or legal advice to the ACLU of Indiana office. Mailing Address: ACLU of Indiana 1031 E. Washington St. Indianapolis, IN 46202 Fax: (317) 635-4105 E-mail Address: [email protected] Guidelines * Only incidents that occurred in Indiana will be accepted. * The person being harmed by the facts alleged in the complaint must be the one who authorizes the request for our assistance. * For legal complaints by email, all information should be included in the body of the e-mail. * Do not send original documents. Please send photocopies only. * Please include your name complete mailing address and telephone number. Your completed complaint will be submitted to the ICLU Legal Director to decide whether it raises a significant constitutional issue appropriate for consideration by the ACLU of Indiana. This process should take (8) eight to (10) ten weeks. IT MUST BE EMPHASIZED THAT THE FILING OF A COMPLAINT ONLY BEGINS THE EVALUATION PROCESS, AND THE ACLU OF INDIANA IS NOT REPRESENTING YOU AT THIS TIME. If any emergency or other time constraint exists, you should contact private legal counsel. You should also be sure to comply with any deadlines for filing an action or otherwise protecting your interest. 1. Submit Your Complaint Online or http://www.iclu.org/complaints.asp 2. Print and Download the Complaint form http://64.72.154.9...ntForm-English.pdf EGV Edit: added online complaint filing link [last edit 2/27/2006 3:44 AM by ex-goose-villager - edited 1 times] "You're a catastrophe... On your watch we've lost almost all of our allies, the budget surplus, four airliners, two trade centers, a piece of the Pentagon and the city of New Orleans. Maybe your just not lucky. I'm not saying you don't love this country. I'm just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side. Yes, God does speak to you. And he's saying: Take a hint." B. Maher ex-goose-villager  Location: Canada Gender: Male  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 23 on 2/27/2006 4:10 AM >   Some other ideas: Especially now that legal action against you has commenced, I would recommend the following: 1. Document everything - every discussion you have with an official, document it, send them a letter outlining your understanding of the conversation. You want a paper trail--don't even so much as fart without sending a letter afterward. 2. Get a cheap tape recorder and phone bugger and record all your conversations, especially with police, court officials and school officials. Again, follow-up each conversation with a letter summarizing its content. What this does is put the onus on the other party to refute (in writing) what you have set down. Keep a file of all letters sent and received; a log for each telephone conversation, noting time, date, parties involved in the conversation, and matter discussed. Don't lose your cool, remain calm and respectful, be cordial--but at the same time, realize that the school is now your enemy--they are NOT to be trusted. Remain vigilant--because if you turn your back on them, they'll put a shiv in it. EGV P.S.: You may think this is all overkill; I used to. I have a friend who behaved this way with a government agency that screwed him over--he eventually wound up representing himself in Federal Court, and won his case. I used to think he was crazy for writing all these letters, but each letter was a piece of evidence in the build-up to his eventual court case. "You're a catastrophe... On your watch we've lost almost all of our allies, the budget surplus, four airliners, two trade centers, a piece of the Pentagon and the city of New Orleans. Maybe your just not lucky. I'm not saying you don't love this country. I'm just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side. Yes, God does speak to you. And he's saying: Take a hint." B. Maher res_novae  Location: NoVA Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 24 on 2/27/2006 4:44 AM >   Make sure to mention that your taping your conversations on the phone, its a felony to record someone over the phone without their consent I believe. David E  Location: San Francisco, CA Gender: Male Do not believe everything you see on TV.  |  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 25 on 2/27/2006 4:53 AM >   Make sure you inform said party you are taping and that there is a beep every 20 seconds or so. Can't remember the exact law on this at the moment, but I am sure you can Google it. David FREE THE UER 6! DOWN WITH UER LACKEYS! And to the mod that changed my sig, blow me! HillbillyHorus  Location: Charlottesville Virginia Gender: Male Im in ur government, killin ur d00dz  |  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 26 on 2/27/2006 5:39 AM >   Jesus fecking christ. Our country really has gone to fuck. I'll miss you Walking_Poison. You can't fall off a mountain. Otaku   |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 27 on 2/27/2006 5:42 AM >   my parents went through something similar with my a few years back. neither were taken to jail, but we did have 20 or so court dates over the situation. it started when i was in 6th grade. i started having some problems that kept me out of school. by the time i got into 7th grade, i was missing 9 out of 10 days. it didn't matter that i was hospitalized over the matter. this whole time i managed to maintain passing grades despite my absences. my parents had to get a lawyer, which didn't do anything more than show up about half of the time. he never provided us with any real legal advice. it all ended when i got my GED. i was extremely lucky that i was old enough to get it. i wish you good luck in the situation. seek legal counsel and never back down. that's your only real chance of getting out of this. PM me if you want to get join our board and get fit! aDeLtRiTuS  Location: south australia Gender: Male  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 28 on 2/27/2006 10:45 AM >   wow that totaly sux,ive never heard of such a law in my life.dont really see what they think they are achieving by locking up decent people with hardened criminals.the world gets more insane by the second.good luck hope all pans out well for you and your family there is no such thing as death,life is just a dream reflected in the eyes of someone that is truley aware of time Avatar-X  Alpha Husky Location: West Coast Gender: Male yay!  |  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 29 on 2/27/2006 12:55 PM >   Since when is not going to school illegal? What do they do with people who home-school their kids? -av huskies - such fluff. ex-goose-villager  Location: Canada Gender: Male  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 30 on 2/27/2006 12:58 PM >   Posted by res_novae Make sure to mention that your taping your conversations on the phone, its a felony to record someone over the phone without their consent I believe. The law varies with the jurisdiction... in most jurisdictions, only one party has to be notified (and the recording party suffices for this.) Still, it's a good idea to let them know you're making a record, just to be on the safe side. As always, check your local laws--your lawyer should be able to help. EGV "You're a catastrophe... On your watch we've lost almost all of our allies, the budget surplus, four airliners, two trade centers, a piece of the Pentagon and the city of New Orleans. Maybe your just not lucky. I'm not saying you don't love this country. I'm just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side. Yes, God does speak to you. And he's saying: Take a hint." B. Maher seicer  Location: New York Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 31 on 2/27/2006 2:15 PM >   Posted by Avatar-X Since when is not going to school illegal? What do they do with people who home-school their kids? -av In the states, you have to register your children for homeschooling and provide the local school district your teaching plans. Going to school for the Amish is only appliable up until the 8th grade in many states now. Abandoned Torlough  Entropy, it eventually happens  |  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 32 on 2/27/2006 3:50 PM >   Wow I am sorry to hear the tale. lawyer up ASAP. Even if it costs you in the short run it should do you better at the long run. http://torlough.deviantart.com/ metalwitch40  Location: mass. Gender: Female  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 33 on 2/27/2006 4:07 PM >   WTP, Sorry to hear about what you are going through. Take a break and come back when you can. MW Edit: No need to quote the entire original post, thanks. -MapMan [last edit 2/27/2006 4:31 PM by Emperor Wang - edited 3 times] The more things change, the more they stay the same desmet  When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.  |  |  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 34 on 2/27/2006 5:39 PM >   Not to sound unsympathetic, but I remember my parents calling the school each and every day that I was absent. The advantage of this is that when your kid gets kidnapped or ditches school, you find out about it because they were expecting either the kid to be there or a call....but no one wants to look at the situation from that standpoint, I suppose. That said, it's pretty ridiculous that they didn't read you your rights and were unable to produce the warrant and all that other garbage. I'm sure it will work out in court. Walking Talking Poison  Location: Big Island, Hawaii Gender: Female  |  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 35 on 2/27/2006 5:58 PM >   Posted by desmet Not to sound unsympathetic, but I remember my parents calling the school each and every day that I was absent. The advantage of this is that when your kid gets kidnapped or ditches school, you find out about it because they were expecting either the kid to be there or a call....but no one wants to look at the situation from that standpoint, I suppose. Other than those first couple of absences, and the days he was not allowed to go to school because he caught head lice there, I did call every time. Actually when I was in school, (heh yes a while ago, Im 32), the school would call home if I wasnt there. They do not do that here. Since when is not going to school illegal? What do they do with people who home-school their kids? -av There are certain exemptions for homeschoolers, however, when I first looked under the law itself, I found dozens of posts from people who homeschool and are being harassed and arrested under this law. Everything they were doing is legal, and they can usually prove so in court, but it doesnt stop the arrests themselves. The law varies with the jurisdiction... in most jurisdictions, only one party has to be notified (and the recording party suffices for this.) Still, it's a good idea to let them know you're making a record, just to be on the safe side. As always, check your local laws--your lawyer should be able to help. EGV Thanks for all the advice Ex Goose. I was thinking of contacting the ACLU, but thats somewhat of an after thought. They usually dont deal in criminal trials but they will help you with rights issues afterwards. Right now Im just trying to keep my butt out of prison. I dont think I am going to call the school or contact them in any form until I speak with an attorney. My main problem now is trying to find out who is any good. I dont know many people in this area who have had a need for attorneys. Again thanks for all the advice and well wishes guys! This just sux, I suppose I can still post scouting pics around here and addresses, just cant have any fun exploring for now. Ha, Id have a hell of a time explaining UE in court on top of all this other crap!!!! <.·´¯`·.WªLkïng¯|¯ªLkïngPoïsØN ¸.·´¯`·.¸> 0U812  Location: Lubbock, TX Gender: Female Texploration  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 36 on 2/27/2006 9:43 PM >   Oh My God. I have never heard of such a thing. My prayers go out to you and your family. I figured out what's wrong with life: It's other people. ex-goose-villager  Location: Canada Gender: Male  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 37 on 2/27/2006 10:18 PM >   Posted by Avatar-X Since when is not going to school illegal? What do they do with people who home-school their kids? -av State of Indiana School Attendance Law source: http://www.doe.sta..._indiana_code.html The onerous sections are the ones at the bottom, to wit: IC 20-8.1-3-31.1 Sec. 31.1. The superintendent or an attendance officer having jurisdiction may report a child who habitually absents himself from school in violation of this chapter to an intake officer of the juvenile court. The intake officer shall proceed in accord with IC 31-30 through IC 31-40. As added by Acts 1978, P.L.136, SEC.27. Amended by P.L.1-1997, SEC.102. IC 20-8.1-3-32 Sec. 32. Enforcement of Chapter. It is the duty of each superintendent, attendance officer and state attendance official to enforce the provisions of this chapter in their respective jurisdictions and to execute the affidavits authorized under this section. This duty is several and the failure of one (1) or more to act shall not excuse any other official from his obligation to enforce this chapter. Affidavits against parents for violations of this chapter shall be prepared and filed in the same manner and under the procedure prescribed for filing affidavits for the prosecution of public offenses. Affidavits under this section shall be filed in the circuit court of the county in which the affected child resides. The prosecuting attorney shall file and prosecute actions under this section as in other criminal cases. The court shall promptly hear cases brought under this section. (Formerly: Acts 1973, P.L.218, SEC.1.) IC 20-8.1-3-33 Sec. 33. Compulsory Attendance; Parent's Responsibility. (a) It is unlawful for a parent to fail to ensure that his child attends school as required under this chapter. (b) Before proceedings are instituted against a parent for a violation of this section, personal notice of the violation shall be served on the parent by the superintendent having jurisdiction over the public school or his designee, where the child has legal settlement or the superintendent of the transferee corporation, or his designee, if the child has been transferred. Personal notice must consist of and take place at the time of the occurrence of one of the following events: (1) the date of personal delivery of notice; (2) the date of receipt of the notice sent by certified mail; or (3) the date of leaving notice at the last and usual place of the residence of the parents. If the violation is not terminated within one (1) school day after this notice is given, or if another violation is committed during the notice period, no further notice is necessary, and each day of violation constitutes a separate offense. (Formerly: Acts 1973, P.L.218, SEC.1.) As amended by Acts 1976, P.L.101, SEC.7; Acts 1978, P.L.2, SEC.2003. IC 20-8.1-3-34 Sec. 34. Compulsory Attendance for Full Term; Duty of Parent. It is unlawful for a parent to fail, neglect or refuse to send his child to a public school for the full term as required under this chapter unless the child is being provided with instruction equivalent to that given in the public schools. This section does not apply during any period when the child is excused from attendance under this chapter. (Formerly: Acts 1973, P.L.218, SEC.1.) As amended by Acts 1978, P.L.2, SEC.2004; Acts 1979, P.L.87, SEC.7. "You're a catastrophe... On your watch we've lost almost all of our allies, the budget surplus, four airliners, two trade centers, a piece of the Pentagon and the city of New Orleans. Maybe your just not lucky. I'm not saying you don't love this country. I'm just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side. Yes, God does speak to you. And he's saying: Take a hint." B. Maher Doug  Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 38 on 2/27/2006 11:21 PM >   That's so wrong that it is almost unbelievable! I know I'll get my head bitten off for saying this, but America has some stupid laws. Going to jail for not paying medical bills! Ripping a family apart and putting parents in jail. I dread the day when we (in Australia) spend so much money on war/defence that we have to get rid of our safety nets (Medicare, unemployment benefits etc...). If you lived in Australia the police/government would NEVER take you away from your kids and put you in jail for them skipping school. NEVER! No wonder your jails are so over-populated if you throw people in jail for shit like that. On a lighter note, move to Australia Anyway, I have nothing constructive to say so I'll leave it at that. All the best, Doug The Urbex Zine Guy https://www.cavecl...wtopic.php?t=12259 Walking Talking Poison  Location: Big Island, Hawaii Gender: Female  |  |  Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now! <Reply # 39 on 2/27/2006 11:44 PM >   Posted by ex-goose-villager Personal notice must consist of and take place at the time of the occurrence of one of the following events: (1) the date of personal delivery of notice; (2) the date of receipt of the notice sent by certified mail; or (3) the date of leaving notice at the last and usual place of the residence of the parents. Thats interesting, your search on the law is more detailed than mine. In either case, unless they count the officer coming to my house and telling me I have to call everyday he was absent, I never received shit in the mail! Which shouldnt even matter because I DID call everytime he was staying home. On top of all of that, I remember when the SCHOOL called home when your kid didnt show up. The horrible truth is just now smacking me in the face, that if chester molester would have grabbed my kid on the way from the bus to the school doors, it would be SEVEN HOURS before I knew about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No wonder your jails are so over-populated if you throw people in jail for shit like that. Actually the overcrowding is the fault of the so called "war on drugs", but dont get me started on that one, or I will never shut up!!!! America is no longer such a "free" place as people proclaim it to be, in the last few years we have lost freedoms that even people in places we think are backwards have. And before someone decides to flame me for saying that, I have a bro in law that just returned from Iraq. I am not anti-our SONS AND DAUGHTERS. I am against why they are there and just want them home! If I could easily move to another country, I would seriously consider it. But as all of my family is in the US, the only feasible place to go would be Canada. Its a very hard transition to make, especially for someone with a high school education! <.·´¯`·.WªLkïng¯|¯ªLkïngPoïsØN ¸.·´¯`·.¸> UER Forum > Archived UE Main > Why I must say Goodbye for now! (Viewed 3780 times)  1 2 3 4   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire. To contact webmaster, or click to email with problems or other questions about this site: UER CONTACT View Terms of Service | View Privacy Policy | Server colocation provided by Beanfield This page was generated for you in 187 milliseconds. Since June 23, 2002, a total of 741716287 pages have been generated.