 |
|
|
UER Store
|
|
order your copy of Access All Areas today!
|
|
|
 Intalex
This member has been banned
Ascended Being
 |  | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 20 on 11/19/2003 6:52 AM >
|  | | | OK Jester, I can see your point. Lets put it this way;
I never said that what I did wasnt vandalism, but consider the facts; In the 5 years that I have been exploring, I have only ever destroyed 2 locks, and kicked down 1 door. I've picked about 20 or so locks on site. Don't you think that if I really wanted to destroy something, I would go out and do so?
What many people don't understand is that picking a lock, often destroys it. Out of the 20 or so locks I've picked, about 60% of them the end of the pick broke off inside the lock, rendering it useless either way. Both times I broke off a lock, was when the pick broke inside of it. Sometimes I've managed to extract the broken part, but more often than not it's stayed there and I've had to walk away.
After walking away I wait for them to place a new lock on the door. Usually they don't notice, but when they do, I either have a second go at picking it, or just have another go at finding an alternative entrance.
The security somehow do notice that I've got in. I really don't understand how they do it, but loads of times I've picked a lock, gone round the site, come back out and gone home, then a few weeks later come back to the same site only to find a massive new silver pick proof CHUBB lock replacing the previous one.
Another point most people do not understand is that once all the tumblers are up, you need to somehow turn the cylinder. This is easier said than done, especially with these new CHUBB locks. This is the point where the lockpicks break. Once you've started turning, you can take the pick back out, but its those first few seconds that are really hard.
The worst one is a new type of lock that is completely impossible to pick. You need to stick the key in the cylinder, then turn it left and right in a combination to unlock it. This simply cannot be opened using standard picks, as the cylinder traverses back past where the tumblers fall back down into the cylinder again several times, and if the tumblers fall back into the cylinder again, the whole thing resets!
These things cant even be hacked apart, they are just simply so tough, it's easier to break the door than it is to get past the lock. (and probably less expensive in this case)
The people that run these sites really do not want people in them, and that just fuels my fire. I'm yet to get past one of these locked up places, but one day...
"What's that smell?" "Oh that would be me, I've been swimming in raw sewage, I love it!" - Naked Gun |
|
MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 21 on 11/19/2003 6:53 AM >
|  | | | Posted by Jester
...how would security figure out you're getting past the lock?
|
They would probably notice all the smashed stuff, childish tags, and cig butts TT leaves behind and figure that someone must be bypassing the lock.
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
"If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." |
|
Mark
    
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 22 on 11/19/2003 6:57 AM >
| | | | Yeah well if you invest in the shims there is no more cutting and you dont have to pick the lock.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
|
Intalex
This member has been banned
Ascended Being
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 23 on 11/19/2003 7:11 AM >
| | | | It's not even worth continuing this childish argument. I am not a vandal, I've broken 2 locks and kicked down 1 door in the 5 years I've been doing this.
Get over it.
"What's that smell?" "Oh that would be me, I've been swimming in raw sewage, I love it!" - Naked Gun |
|
MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 24 on 11/19/2003 7:26 AM >
| | | | And I've broken zero locks and kicked down zero doors. I am not a vandal. You, on the other hand, are a vandal.
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
"If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." |
|
Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 25 on 11/19/2003 7:45 AM >
| | | | Hey why dont you guys just drop it. This was a post about padlock shims and maybe a postive way to enlighten people not to cut padlocks. This flaming crap in so many rooms is annoying. If you ignore TT's comments he will say his piece and go on. You guys have been here for a while and should know not to fuel the flamers. Come on this has ruined two three decent if not good threads.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
|
Intalex
This member has been banned
Ascended Being
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 26 on 11/19/2003 8:16 AM >
| | | | Don't you think the picture on the first page looks like some kind of thong underwear? How exactly does one go about using such a *baffling* device?
And Krazy yes you are right, I am a vandal. Have a pretty shit track record for a vandal dont I? And because I'm a vandal I'm a crap explorer, but because I've damaged so little I'm also a crap vandal.
Waaaaait a moment, that makes me crap at everything! NOOOO!
Oh wait, I make a killer tunafish sandwhich...
YAY!
"What's that smell?" "Oh that would be me, I've been swimming in raw sewage, I love it!" - Naked Gun |
|
Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 27 on 11/19/2003 8:56 AM >
| | | | No these things are shims like you use on a car door to open it. Anyways the tabs are to push on and the center part is curved to fit around the metal of the padlock. Also I dont know many cops that know what these look like. However I do know a few that know all about them.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
|
Intalex
This member has been banned
Ascended Being
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 28 on 11/19/2003 9:12 AM >
| | | | I doubt they work.
What we need is an ion cannon that can just blow the whole door off accidentally on purpose. That way you'd be able to casually walk on through, all the while conveniently finding bloody holes in your chest due to shouting security guards holding guns.
OK I realise I'm ranting, I must control the urge...
c... cc... control... urge...
"What's that smell?" "Oh that would be me, I've been swimming in raw sewage, I love it!" - Naked Gun |
|
shiroi
  
Shiroi is a big hat!
Gender: Male
The Green Bastard From Parts Unknown!
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 29 on 11/19/2003 3:58 PM >
| | | | Personally I agree with TT. I believe that jumping a fence with the sign "no trespassing" is as morally correct as picking/breaking a lock to gain access. You're basically being told "no" in either circumstance. Any lock I've cut or picked, I've also replaced with a a lock of similar design, just as if one were to accidentally brake something on a UE they'd replace it so the original purpose is not lost. To cops you may be seen as a total vandal if you break something, but they also dislike the whole "trespassing" thing. We come to explore, even if it means bypassing security like fences or locks.
|
|
Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| |  | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 30 on 11/19/2003 4:00 PM >
|  | | | Posted by Twin Turbo
It's not even worth continuing this childish argument. I am not a vandal, I've broken 2 locks and kicked down 1 door in the 5 years I've been doing this.
Get over it.
|
In 24 years, I've broken zero locks and kicked down zero doors and broken zero windows...
Having grown up around an experienced lock picker, I know that if you have decent quality lockpicks and good tension bars to go along with good skill at lockpicking, you will not break picks off very often at all. I am not a good lock picker at all, though I've never put much time at all into practice. My father on the other hand, is an amazing lockpicker (if I got along with him, i'd ask him to train me, but ethically we don't see eye to eye).
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
|
shiroi
Shiroi is a big hat!
Gender: Male
The Green Bastard From Parts Unknown!
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 31 on 11/19/2003 4:39 PM >
| | | | I'm sure you can do fine without breaking/picking locks (I usually do), but sometimes you're missing out on a lot if you skip an abandoned site just because of one padlock. Even Avatar is savvy for getting rid of locks, and replacing them; I ventured out with him once and he explained a plan that seemed very similar to mine own.
There's an abandoned high school near where I live, and it's being demolished as we speak (type). Now, only one padlock stands in the way atm. I checked, there were no other openings. Only one door, one lock. It's an abandoned highschool, you don't see these everyday; and you won't once it's gone. I have a choice to ither break/pick that lock, or ignore this beauty. For those of you that wish to limit yourselves, understand how much you might be losing. However, I do think picking/breaking locks and replacing is absolutely hands-down the last resort; I would not say "well, there's a climb that looks tough...or there's the locked door" and start smashing, I tried everything.
btw, I'll have a scout report up soon. 
EDIT: Demolishing is actually cancelled, sorry, I forgot to mention that.
[last edit 11/19/2003 4:45 PM by shiroi - edited 1 times]
|
|
outage
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Gender: Male
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 32 on 11/20/2003 3:27 AM >
| | | | Posted by Twin Turbo
The worst one is a new type of lock that is completely impossible to pick. You need to stick the key in the cylinder, then turn it left and right in a combination to unlock it. This simply cannot be opened using standard picks, as the cylinder traverses back past where the tumblers fall back down into the cylinder again several times, and if the tumblers fall back into the cylinder again, the whole thing resets!
|
I have no idea about locksmithing, but such a lock may respond to impressioning. For those unfamiliar with the term, 'impressioning' basically means you insert a key blank into the offending lock and turn it around a bit. You then remove the blank, and file it down a little where the pins have scratched the brass, repeat (over and over) and, theoretically, you will eventually end up with a working key.
Even for a normal lock, that would be handy, as not only does it allow you to bypass a lock, but it also leaves you with a working key to use at your leisure and that would be so useful, it hurts. Especially as most sites use a common keying system.
Whether or not any of this actually works, I don't know...
|
|
Intalex
This member has been banned
Ascended Being
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 33 on 11/20/2003 3:42 AM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
Posted by Twin Turbo
It's not even worth continuing this childish argument. I am not a vandal, I've broken 2 locks and kicked down 1 door in the 5 years I've been doing this.
Get over it.
|
In 24 years, I've broken zero locks and kicked down zero doors and broken zero windows...
Having grown up around an experienced lock picker, I know that if you have decent quality lockpicks and good tension bars to go along with good skill at lockpicking, you will not break picks off very often at all. I am not a good lock picker at all, though I've never put much time at all into practice. My father on the other hand, is an amazing lockpicker (if I got along with him, i'd ask him to train me, but ethically we don't see eye to eye).
|
Jester I honestly don't care to know how amazing you are. I respect you for having 24 years of experience under your belt, but to me this is just reserved bragging.
I don't trust people who are good at lock picking to be more than just a glorified burglar. Either way, unless you were a master of the art, you'd be standing there for ages.
I like to get in and out as fast as possible. To me the faster I get in, the more safe I can feel when I am in the actual site. Unless the site is totally deserted, then chances are that somebody is going to see you there picking away.
It's seriously alot easier to just sit in your nice leather desk chair and suggest that people simply pick their way into every lock. While your at the site, you have loads of things rushing through your head. You've got security to worry about, plus the adrenaline is making your hand go shakey, and on top of that your concern about standing out in the open for extended periods of time should lead you to concentrate more exclusively on the guards rather than the lock.
As I said before, unless its totally deserted, often it's not an option.
"What's that smell?" "Oh that would be me, I've been swimming in raw sewage, I love it!" - Naked Gun |
|
stealthy
You got a problem bro?
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 34 on 11/20/2003 3:44 AM >
| | | | ***Please note***
It is known that when you tend to do something too fast you make mistakes. Tip of the day: Take your time [unless there is a load of cops near you. That's an exception.].
|
|
Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 35 on 11/20/2003 4:18 AM >
| | | | Oh damn TT, I'm sorry, I missed the lesson on not mentioning how long you've been doing this, while you were mentioning how long you've been doing this...
Posted by Twin Turbo
In the 5 years that I have been exploring, I have only ever destroyed 2 locks, and kicked down 1 door. I've picked about 20 or so locks on site.
|
I for one never said you should pick the locks to get into places. I've never once done that. As for the oh so slyly veiled insinuation that someone thats great at lockpicking (my father) is a burglar, well you're dead wrong. He's not and never has been a thief, though he certainly could get into most places...
Strange, how the more you post, the less they all coincide though. So you like to camp out around the sites so... you can be in and out as fast as possible... well that made sense...
You've been at it for 5 years yet you said you learned all your moves from a video game thats a year old ?
First you say you're a real explorer, unlike the rest of us, because you'll break doors and locks to get in. Then you backpeddle to say that you would rarely do that...
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
|
Intalex
This member has been banned
Ascended Being
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 36 on 11/20/2003 4:37 AM >
| | | | I never claimed that I've always been as good at exploring as I am now. Fill in the gaps using your common sense, because I'm sure as hell not going to explain everything to you.
And can you at least TRY to respond to the point I make in my post rather than respond to something relevant to only you? Send personal stuff in PM's.
OK so whatever your dad isn't a burglar, that still doesnt change the fact that experienced lockpickers are either burglars or locksmiths.
I'm an explorer, not a burglar or locksmith.
I do like to camp out near sites, and I like to spend as little time entering and exiting the site as possible. Why the fuck would someone deliberately spend an hour entering or exiting a site?
And for heavens sake I'm not backpeddling. I said that I was prepared to break a door or lock IF I HAD TO, that doesn't mean that I do it all the time. You are clearly lucky enough to've never come across such a situation.
Read my posts, try and think about what I might be saying, and don't take it as if it's all just one long story that "needs to be consistent as far as I'm concerned otherwise its a lie".
"What's that smell?" "Oh that would be me, I've been swimming in raw sewage, I love it!" - Naked Gun |
|
'Dukes
Noble Donor
Gender: Male
At least someone llikes me
| |  | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 37 on 11/21/2003 4:23 AM >
| | | | Sorry if this is off topic, but I still cant' get the image of Austin Powers spin kicking a door off its hinges out of my head. Yeahhh Baby HEHEHEH.
Turbo.. looking forward to your web page.
I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying. |
|
Stalker
Location: Hamilton
Your Resident Red Commie Bastard
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 38 on 11/21/2003 6:30 AM >
| | | | | There is another type of this chemical that you can get, which I don't use because it makes a loud bang |
C4?
|
|
Intalex
This member has been banned
Ascended Being
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 39 on 11/21/2003 11:18 AM >
| | | | Erm, C4 is not a chemical, it's an explosive.
"What's that smell?" "Oh that would be me, I've been swimming in raw sewage, I love it!" - Naked Gun |
|
|
|
All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire.
To contact webmaster, or click to email with problems or other questions about this site:
UER CONTACT
View Terms of Service |
View Privacy Policy |
Server colocation provided by Beanfield
This page was generated for you in 140 milliseconds. Since June 23, 2002, a total of 741249049 pages have been generated.
|
|
