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 MutantMandias
       
Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
 |  |  | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 20 on 3/15/2007 7:25 AM >
|  | | | Shut up LizBellum
Fuck off to the Isle of Man
Eat a dick, you cunt.
[last edit 3/15/2007 4:05 PM by MutantMandias - edited 1 times]
mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias
mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being |
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MutantMandias
Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
| | | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 21 on 3/15/2007 7:27 AM >
| | | | Does that sound harsh?
That sounds harsh, doesn't it?
mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias
mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being |
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manitou
Location: Mississauga/Toronto/Waterloo
Gender: Male
I was born with an inherent knowledge of every abandonment in the world!
| | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 22 on 3/15/2007 7:37 AM >
| | | | Posted by LizBellum
Urban explorating,
Great for 14 year old boys.
More boring than porn.
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Nicely done.
www.dkphotogroup.com
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HillbillyHorus
 
Location: Charlottesville Virginia
Gender: Male
Im in ur government, killin ur d00dz
| |  | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 23 on 3/15/2007 11:50 AM >
| | | | Posted by LizBellum
Urban explorating,
Great for 14 year old boys.
More boring than porn.
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Hey I resent that 
And this very thread complaining about dick-waving and pompousness is full of both 
You can't fall off a mountain. |
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Oherian
Noble Donor
Location: West Virginia
Gender: Male
| | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 24 on 3/15/2007 12:27 PM >
| | | | Posted by LizBellum
What we do have is a pretty lame internet-economy based on how super-duper awesome you can make yourself appear to people you'll never meet.
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Of course, then there's me. I am super-duper awesome, and all should acknowledge that and tremble.
*falls over laughing*
"If the door's open, you might as well stick your head in."
-- Lil-trouble |
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desmet
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
| | | | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 25 on 3/15/2007 2:03 PM >
| | | | Posted by manitou
On these forums there is a noticable pattern of noobs posting photos from locations that they believe to be new and incredible, only to be criticized by the established membership for posting photos of a location that has already been explored ad nauseum.
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I don't get where you guys are coming from on this AT ALL. Most of the stuff I post is from locations that are relatively well known and I never get flack for it. I never see others getting flack over the types of locations they post either. I mean...boring pictures are boring pictures regardless of the location.
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Jordi
Location: Knoxville, TN
Gender: Female
| |  | | | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 26 on 3/15/2007 2:40 PM >
| | | | Posted by desmet
I don't get where you guys are coming from on this AT ALL. Most of the stuff I post is from locations that are relatively well known and I never get flack for it. I never see others getting flack over the types of locations they post either. I mean...boring pictures are boring pictures regardless of the location.
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Just happened to me earlier... oh well...
I have to say with being a new member and just actually getting into this instead of sitting on the side lines admiring some rotting farm house or factory, its rather depressing to post somewhere you think is cool only to have someone say no its not go find somewhere better.
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Chrysis
Location: Moncks Corner, SC
Gender: Female
| |  | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 27 on 3/15/2007 3:47 PM >
| | | | Personally.... I enjoy the pissing contests, and I love big dicks.... and even if the stream of piss is aimed at me, I could care less. If I like a place and someone else doesn't, who gives a fuck... I like it and that's all that matters to me. Its nothing personal. And since there aren't any larger places here to check out, I do live vicariously through others experiences on here. I enjoy seeing the architecture and the combination af grandeur and decay. But I have a soft spot for personal effects that may give me a glimpse into the lives of whomever had occupied the place. Graffiti just doesn't impress me. I personally do smaller, older homes and historic sites. Mainly because that is all that is available to me here, but also because of the low risk of injury or arrest. Call me a pussy, I don't care. I have my little adventures without having to explain to my husband or kids why I'm in the hospital or locked up. (PLus, I have been told many, many times that if I get arrested, to NOT call home!!) People just need to calm down and not take things personally.
Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or play with it, Just pee on it and walk away. |
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LizBellum
Gender: Female
Be really excellent at everything!
| | | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 28 on 3/15/2007 3:56 PM >
| | | | Posted by MutantMandias
Does that sound harsh?
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Harsh, but absolutely true. I am moving, I am a cunt, and as for the rest, well, we have to sell records somehow.
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It's the internet
Care about things like matter.
What is up with Lost?
flickrgrrrrl :: boyfuckingracer |
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kowalski
| | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 29 on 3/15/2007 5:39 PM >
| | | | Posted by LizBellum
Care about things like matter.
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LizBellum
Gender: Female
Be really excellent at everything!
| | | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 30 on 3/15/2007 5:56 PM >
| | | | Ha.
Yeah, I probably shouldn't try my hand at anything after I've just woken up. But thanks for reminding me that matter matters (matters more than the internet matters).
flickrgrrrrl :: boyfuckingracer |
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Local Hero
Location: In a fine pair of trousers
| | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 31 on 3/15/2007 5:59 PM >
| | | | UE has a lot of similarities with tourism. Period.
A lot of the same problems too, as far asa authenticity, the tourist gaze and so on.
I'm writing stuff in school about this right now, and there's no escaping it, nor is there ever going to be one definitive answer as far as I can see. Each person is trying to get their own thing out of what they are doing and to try and smash your views onto someone else can only give you and them a headache.
I think the best bet is to do what you do because you like it, the end. Heck some people explore and don't take ANY pictures. The horror.
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Captain Obvious
Location: among the tank farms
Gender: Male
in ur xbox...there are midgets
| | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 32 on 3/15/2007 7:28 PM >
| | | | In terms of art photography, the overused factor is irrelevant in terms of where, not what. It doesn't matter if you shoot at the 14,534 photo asylum, as long as the subject (chair, etc) of the picture is original.
UT, urban tourism, is just fine as long as you're honest about it to yourself. Pick an overhyped place, say, Canada Malt. You didn't explore it, you visited it. Distinguishing between an honest discovery and a rite-of-passage spot is key.
I have toured several places I found in the DB, but just didn't get the feeling I got exploring my own discoveries.
| I think the best bet is to do what you do because you like it, the end. |
Exactly! The exploration community is largely a melting pot. I would have thought we'd be beyond high-school style pettiness and insults, especially towards new explorers.
Nov. 24, 2007--The city of Cleveland, Ohio, announces that it has developed tactical nuclear weapons, and does not wish to hear any more jokes.
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MutantMandias
Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
| | | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 33 on 3/15/2007 8:06 PM >
| | | | Posted by Captain Obvious
I would have thought we'd be beyond high-school style pettiness and insults, especially towards new explorers.
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You're too funny.
Posted by Captain Obvious
UT, urban tourism, is just fine as long as you're honest about it to yourself. Pick an overhyped place, say, Canada Malt. You didn't explore it, you visited it. Distinguishing between an honest discovery and a rite-of-passage spot is key.
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Schmuck. An honest discovery? What does that mean? That you are the first person to have ever been there? Not even the people who built the place and worked there knew about it before you "discovered" it?
If I go somewhere for my first time, or my tenth time, it can still be a righteous explore, no matter how many people have whored up the place before me. If I treat it like a whore, it's a whore, but if I let the experience happen naturally, it's the good stuff.
Brickworks in Toronto is a pretty whorish place, but they still seem to respect it pretty well. When I went, it was the first time I had ever heard of it, and it was beautiful. I "discovered" it for myself, and that's what matters.
I could have just wondered through and glanced at the cool graf and said bitchen things about how sweet it is to be in a rad place like that. That's tourism.
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mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias
mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being |
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DrDeke
Location: Michigan
Gender: Male
| | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 34 on 3/15/2007 8:07 PM >
| | | | | Posted by Captain ObviousDistinguishing between an honest discovery and a rite-of-passage spot is key. |
I'm not really sure what you mean here.
What would an honest discovery be? Finding a room that you had previously overlooked in a building you've been to before? Finding a place without having heard about it before? Finding a place that no-one has gone inside of since it was abandoned? Finding a place that no-one has even seen since it was abandoned?
And, I don't know what you mean by a rite-of-passage spot at all.
DrDeke
EDIT: Never mind that last sentence; I do see what you mean now. My brain must have been out to lunch when I read that part of your post the first time.
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If you don't want it known, don't say it on a phone. |
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Captain Obvious
Location: among the tank farms
Gender: Male
in ur xbox...there are midgets
| | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 35 on 3/15/2007 8:42 PM >
| | | | Posted by Captain Obvious
I would have thought we'd be beyond high-school style pettiness and insults, especially towards new explorers. |
You're too funny.
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Good point.
| I could have just wondered through and glanced at the cool graf and said bitchen things about how sweet it is to be in a rad place like that. That's tourism. |
Exactly, and that's what I'm protesting against. Too many people do that and call it exploration. What you said about "discovering it for yourself" is absolutely true. It's all just a matter of taste in the end.
Never mind.
Nov. 24, 2007--The city of Cleveland, Ohio, announces that it has developed tactical nuclear weapons, and does not wish to hear any more jokes.
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| | | | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 36 on 3/15/2007 9:06 PM >
| | | | It is impossible not to be a tourist in a man made location. Exploration is impossible, IF you're using the classical definition, in a place where someone else has already created it.
So be happy with your tourism. You're still, likely, seeing places that very few people do, regardless of what it is called.
"Great architecture has only two natural enemies: water and stupid men." - Richard Nickel |
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CaptOrbit
Location: Sarasota, FL or Cincinnati, OH
Gender: Male
There you are, right back in the jungle again.
| | | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 37 on 3/15/2007 9:30 PM >
| | | | Not even the most “Hard-core” exploring veteran here will tell you to explore something that holds no interest to you just because it’s there. (Some of the idiots might.) If you want to go to the asylum go to the asylum. If you want to go to the farmhouse, go to the farmhouse. Post pictures if you want to. If some one gives you flak about it either they don’t understand what you’re doing, or they're just an idiot. Either way it’s not on you.
The personal responsibility train left the station years ago, and you gave it the finger as you watched it leave. |
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seany
Location: Santa Clara, California, USA
Gender: Male
| |  |  | | | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 38 on 3/15/2007 10:19 PM >
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Posted by LizBellum
Care about things like matter.
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this... this is awesome...
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desmet
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
| | | | Re: When did "exploration" become "tourism"? -Rant warning-
<Reply # 39 on 3/15/2007 10:37 PM >
| | | | Posted by yokes
It is impossible not to be a tourist in a man made location. Exploration is impossible, IF you're using the classical definition, in a place where someone else has already created it.
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Toooootally fuckin agree there. You're absolutely right.
That said, I don't think we need to stick to the classical definition though. Ive always thought exploring (even before I got into urbex) was just checking out a place that I'd never been before. I got into this reasonably late in the timeline of some of the asylums here, and no amount of pictures or movies ever really told the story of actually being there.
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