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Slowly I turned
 |  | Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
< on 7/19/2007 8:43 PM >
|  | | | This just in:
T.O. could close subway line over budget problems
Toronto's Sheppard subway line could be mothballed and transit riders could be hit with a 25-cent fare hike due to budget constraints at city hall, officials warned on Thursday.
"This is extremely traumatic," Councillor Adam Giambrone, who chairs the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC), told reporters.
Giambrone, who called it "a dark day" for transit riders, said the TTC has to chop $30 million from its budget for this year and another $100 million next year.
He has called an emergency commission meeting for Friday afternoon to discuss ways to cope with the cuts.
The Sheppard subway could be closed entirely by the end of this year or the beginning of next year, Giambrone said.
He noted TTC likely will have to chop 21 surface routes, including the 26 Dupont, 67 Pharmacy and 120 Calvington routes, the Toronto Star reported.
The moves will save $1 million this year and $10 million next year, Giambrone said.
Mayor David Miller this week ordered spending within public service departments to be tightened and warned of large cuts to city services after two proposed taxes were deferred until after the October provincial election.
The proposed land transfer tax and vehicle registration fee would have raised $350 million for cash-strapped Toronto.
The city faces a potential $575 million budge shortfall next year.
After the tax proposals were deferred, Miller said residents could be facing property tax increases of up to 10 per cent next year.
http://toronto.ctv...19?hub=TorontoHome
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Air
  
Location: Canada
| | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 1 on 7/19/2007 9:00 PM >
| | | | hahaha, its only cost $1 billion to make, as opposed to the $250,000,000 it was supposed to cost, now they are gonna cancel it. Its a useless line at the very least they should have built an extension up to steels or further, or a subway to the airport or york u.
My cynicism will only continue over city politics, last week they wanted to introduce several new taxes, then decided to make budget cuts and now they are backing the expansion of woodbine racetrack into a full blown casino.
Perhaps the city should fire everyone in the upper levels of management and hire new managers who bring a fresh perspective to these issues. All it ever has been in inbreeding of the worst order.
* I particularly like the timing of all this.*
[last edit 7/19/2007 9:03 PM by Air - edited 2 times]
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| |  |  | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 2 on 7/19/2007 9:01 PM >
| | | | That's what you get when you elect non-fiscal conservatives. We get the government we deserve.
"Great architecture has only two natural enemies: water and stupid men." - Richard Nickel |
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 3 on 7/19/2007 9:02 PM >
| | | | Posted by yokes
That's what you get when you elect non-fiscal conservatives. We get the government we deserve.
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You don't seriously think any of these douche-bags are different, do you? Sure they all run on different platforms, but when you get right down to it, they are all the same. On a simple note, all I have seen is everything get more expensive, numerous public services get the boot and nothing ever improving. Ever.
[last edit 7/19/2007 9:05 PM by Air - edited 1 times]
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| | | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 4 on 7/19/2007 9:07 PM >
| | | | There are some pretty stark differences between them. Compare the fiscal policies of someone like the bat shit insane Rob Ford with David Miller. Rob Ford would slash the budget within an inch of its life and restore some responsibility to the City. Miller will bleed it dry. Unfortunately, they are more bleeding heart Millers on Council then there are Fords. Which makes the denial of the tax increase all the more astonishing.
And politics aside, it will be awesome to check out the subway if it shuts down. I think micro just went on high alert. 
Edit: Worth noting that a majority of the development applications and future growth (like 60-70% if I remember correctly) in North York is occuring along the Sheppard line... basically, doing what it was supposed to do. Even at a billion dollars, the development that follows will more than pay for it in the long run.
Edit2: A city can either have public services OR low taxes. Not both. The people of Toronto, given their elected officials, don't seem to realize this.
[last edit 7/19/2007 9:10 PM by yokes - edited 2 times]
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Stewie
 
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male
kill your idols
| | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 5 on 7/19/2007 9:28 PM >
| | | | That's really depressing. Once again, Canada's showcase city is getting the shaft. What a government we have here. The US doesn't let things in NYC get like this.
> The hierarchy of power dictates that the person with the most power does the least amount of work and retains the highest benefit. |
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| | | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 6 on 7/19/2007 9:29 PM >
| | | | They US has an excellent transportation/transit cost sharing program
"Great architecture has only two natural enemies: water and stupid men." - Richard Nickel |
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 7 on 7/19/2007 9:34 PM >
| | | | Posted by yokes
There are some pretty stark differences between them. Compare the fiscal policies of someone like the bat shit insane Rob Ford with David Miller. Rob Ford would slash the budget within an inch of its life and restore some responsibility to the City. Miller will bleed it dry. Unfortunately, they are more bleeding heart Millers on Council then there are Fords. Which makes the denial of the tax increase all the more astonishing.
And politics aside, it will be awesome to check out the subway if it shuts down. I think micro just went on high alert.
Edit: Worth noting that a majority of the development applications and future growth (like 60-70% if I remember correctly) in North York is occuring along the Sheppard line... basically, doing what it was supposed to do. Even at a billion dollars, the development that follows will more than pay for it in the long run.
Edit2: A city can either have public services OR low taxes. Not both. The people of Toronto, given their elected officials, don't seem to realize this.
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No argument about Miller, but he is just a part of the puzzle.
This subway extension was under construction back in 1998-2002 (I believe). I think it would have been more responsible of the transit commission then to develop a subway line elsewhere. I've taken the Sheppard bus regularly before the subway, and it never had a volume of passengers as other routes do. Sure the development is now coming to fruition in that area, but most of the people who live around there drive, which somehow defeats the very purpose of building a subway line out that way. This subway only exists because of Mel Lastman and his push to develop North York. Honestly I could careless either way, bit it seems like this is a sinking ship.
I think it would have been much better if subway line would have been extended out to york and into york region as its not only the students who would use it, but the people who can't afford to drive who live in the many high density apartments around there, as well as people work in the surrounding areas.
*Note: the subway closure does seem interesting to explore, but a terrible waste of resources.
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 8 on 7/19/2007 9:36 PM >
| | | | Posted by Stewie
That's really depressing. Once again, Canada's showcase city is getting the shaft. What a government we have here. The US doesn't let things in NYC get like this.
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I believe there is less corruption. Also in a city that size many of the smaller issues can't slide as easily as elsewhere.
I still think this is a lame attempt at city swinging to get its own casino (which I don't think will ever happen).
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fedge
Location: Gaud Corners, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
you blight up my life™®
| | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 9 on 7/19/2007 9:44 PM >
| | | | I never understood the concept of the Sheppard line. Essentially a subway to Fairview Mall. I'd have much rather liked to see an expanded Bloor line to the airport in concert with an extended Danforth line past Kennedy with real subway lines (mothball the LRT) to as far east as the zoo with stops at Malvern Mall along the way.
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| | | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 10 on 7/19/2007 10:30 PM >
| | | | The idea is to eventually extend it further to connect to the e danforth line
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Stewie
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male
kill your idols
| | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 11 on 7/20/2007 12:03 AM >
| | | | Yes. The grand idea was to extend it both ways: East to Scarborough Town Centre and West to the airport I believe. I'm pretty sure the Transit City plan incorporated this. Suffice to say that's definitely on hold now.
> The hierarchy of power dictates that the person with the most power does the least amount of work and retains the highest benefit. |
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fedge
Location: Gaud Corners, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
you blight up my life™®
| | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 12 on 7/20/2007 3:27 AM >
| | | | If there was any vision with the powers that be, plans would have been underway years ago for lines to the airport and east to Pickering Town Centre, with a bridge over the 401 to the Go Station.
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| | | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 14 on 7/20/2007 3:46 AM >
| | | | You can still take your Furni(tm) on the bus.
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SteamPunk
Location: Sailing the seas of sleaze.
| | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 15 on 7/20/2007 8:26 AM >
| | | | Posted by Stewie
That's really depressing. Once again, Canada's showcase city is getting the shaft. What a government we have here. The US doesn't let things in NYC get like this.
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WTF?? Canada's "showcase city"???!!!!!! BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! I can thin of two cities in Quebec alone that are WAY better, and even a couple out west. populace doesn't mean "showcase"........what an ass!!!
I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me, and it'll happen to you, too! |
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Stewie
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male
kill your idols
| | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 16 on 7/20/2007 9:03 AM >
| | | | Yah I'm totally not going to bother arguing with a baseless "toronto sucks" insult.
> The hierarchy of power dictates that the person with the most power does the least amount of work and retains the highest benefit. |
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Agent Skelly
  
Web Sheriff
Location: Oregon Territory
Gender: Male
Prenez De L'Avance Avec Chrysler!
| |  | | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 17 on 7/20/2007 11:34 AM >
| | | | David Gunn is probably having an heart attack right about now...
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cyn1c4l
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
Dr.Jekyll Status: OFFLINE
| | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 18 on 7/20/2007 11:43 AM >
| | | | Yay!
More money for less service...again!
Maybe they should think of ways to generate more revenue... like say... 24 hour subway. Not only would it generate a lot of revenue for the TTC, it would probably mean more people would come down to the city and spend more money at bars/clubs etc, without the worry of having to deal with their car whilst intoxicated, or worse yet, the vomit comet (Blue-Light Yonge bus for the uninitiated).
Sure, it will cost more to keep it open those extra 4 hours, but hell, the ridership at night would improve greatly. For some reason, people (myself included), much prefer the subway to the bus (can't imagine why).
Even, 24 hours during the weekend would be a start. Pilot project, instead of speculation, let's see what the revenue increase over a 4-12 week period is. If after that, they're losing money left and right, fair enough. But to start slashing service and increasing fares... again?!
WTF.
_Cyn
guest@cyns_box$ gcc -o pwnd sploit.c
guest@cyns_box$ ./pwnd
error: r00t this. Connection terminated by remote host. |
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| | | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 19 on 7/20/2007 12:30 PM >
| | | | Not only would it generate a lot of revenue for the TTC
I would be surprised if the operating costs would cover the number of users at, say, 3 or 4am. Busses would be sufficient I suspect.
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