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 bonesy12
  
Location: Edmonton, AB
Gender: Female
 |  | determined but in need of suggestions
< on 8/13/2007 1:13 AM >
|  | | | alright, so theres this abandoned apartment building downtown. we got in before and it was by far one of the coolest places i've ever UEd. my friends and i are determined to get back in, but they've recently put up cameras, sirens, motion censors near all main entry points. a hobo told us hes seen the sirens go off and lights all turn on once the cameras detect motion. after lots of researching, ive decided its probly not worth the trouble to try and bypass the detectors, although we were moving around a fair bit trying to get in before noticing all the new equipment and nothing went off. i'm thinking the sirens are more just to scare us off the premises and there really would be no easy way for security or cops to follow us into the building if the system is designed to alert them. would it be best to set off the alarms then wait from a safe lookout point to see if anyone shows up or just go in regardless of the alarms? or any other suggestions would be helpful. thanks!
So please don't wake me,
Till someone cares.
Now no one cares. |
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paragonUE
Location: upstate new york
Gender: Male
"I hope you have hobo stab insurance"
| | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 1 on 8/13/2007 2:06 AM >
| | | | well, first off, id test the alarms by sending someone to trip them, then running away, and sitting nearby waiting for police activity or something similar.
and if in fact there is police activity, and the normal entrances arent viable, then theres always up, you could climb a storey or two in search of open windows, which will likely not be alarmed
little known fact, if you shake the sprinkles at the bottom of a doughnut bag while exploring, youll actually be cought by cops faster |
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person
Location: cincinnati
Gender: Male
| | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 2 on 8/13/2007 3:06 AM >
| | | | Posted by paragonUE
and if in fact there is police activity, and the normal entrances arent viable, then theres always up, you could climb a storey or two in search of open windows, which will likely not be alarmed
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seconded.
people who own abandoned buildings are often not rich enough (or don't care enough) to put sensors anyplace other than near obvious entrances, stairwells, etc.
it's also worth considering, if you're a ninja, trying to disable the motion sensors via the "sneak up and cover them with cardboard" method. this allegedly works on some less-sensitive devices.
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Shawn W.
 
Location: Niagara Falls, NY
Gender: Male
Optimistic Pessimist
| |  |  | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 3 on 8/13/2007 8:27 AM >
| | | | Posted by paragonUE
well, first off, id test the alarms by sending someone to trip them, then running away, and sitting nearby waiting for police activity or something similar. |
As was mentioned in a similar thread, if there are active cameras at said location, you're screwed.
What is a rebel? A man who says no. - Albert Camus |
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blackhawk
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 4 on 8/13/2007 1:00 PM >
| | | | Bonesy12, this is not an abandoned building if it is locked and alarmed; it's better to try to obtain permission, or just leave it be. There are tons of places with no alarms, that are abandoned, and the worst trouble you'll see probably is just being asked to leave.
You were in once, be happy with that, and respect the owner's rights.
Plain and simple, bypassing the alarm system to enter shows malice of forethought and premeditation to commit a felony.
As does playing dumb ass games with cops and interfering with people who need their help.
Worse it's a common, well known tactic that's easy to foil and the most stone age approach possible.
Goofing with alarms will only cause the owner to spend more time and money, as well as pissing off both the owner and police.
Once you trip a silent alarm, or audible one, expect a full search of the building and hope they don't use k-9's.
It's unlikely you'll be let go on a municipal trespass charge; the charges will reflect what you did, and how you did it.
A minimum cost of a grand, and upwards of 5-6 grand for felony charges.
Forget a military career, civil servants job, and owning a gun if convicted on felony counts.
Applying for a job, even trying to rent an apartment will bring a felony conviction back to haunt you for the rest of your life.
No hobby is worth that kind of trouble.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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paragonUE
Location: upstate new york
Gender: Male
"I hope you have hobo stab insurance"
| | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 5 on 8/13/2007 5:17 PM >
| | | | Posted by Shawn W.
As was mentioned in a similar thread, if there are active cameras at said location, you're screwed.
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however, if one had the foresight to cover their face, and get away immediatly after the alarm was tripped, there should be no problem.
little known fact, if you shake the sprinkles at the bottom of a doughnut bag while exploring, youll actually be cought by cops faster |
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 6 on 8/14/2007 6:24 AM >
| | | | Posted by paragonUE
however, if one had the foresight to cover their face, and get away immediatly after the alarm was tripped, there should be no problem.
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It's not like these are new ideas.
Pros know how to set up systems to counter these tactics effectively. You won't even see the camera(s) and/or other sensors.
About a year ago member here thought they were slick, they got inside through an open door of a building they had been wanting to tape with cams.
They never owe up to disabling to main alarm in a hit and run tactic, but i know that's what happened.
Or real bad timing.
They owner was smarter, bag them proper with a smaller, portable wireless alarm.
They were charged with felony counts of B&E, conspiracy... their little lives are so owned!
It's hard to feel sorry for someone that does this; some things are just wrong.
It isn't right to fuck with other peoples property if they are trying to keep it secured.
More than one person I know has been know to sit in the dark with a loaded gun.
If the shoe was on the other foot, what would you do?
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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person
Location: cincinnati
Gender: Male
| | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 7 on 8/14/2007 2:08 PM >
| | | | Blackhawk is obsessed with felony B&E charges and with the FBI. 
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seicer
 
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 8 on 8/14/2007 2:20 PM >
| | | | But it will save you a nice breaking-and-entering charge.
Abandoned |
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micro
 
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 9 on 8/14/2007 2:20 PM >
| | | | Blackhawk: scaring UER n00bs since January 17th, 2006.
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 10 on 8/14/2007 2:42 PM >
| | | | Posted by bonesy12
alright, so theres this abandoned apartment building downtown. we got in before and it was by far one of the coolest places i've ever UEd. my friends and i are determined to get back in, but they've recently put up cameras, sirens, motion censors near all main entry points. a hobo told us hes seen the sirens go off and lights all turn on once the cameras detect motion. after lots of researching, ive decided its probly not worth the trouble to try and bypass the detectors, although we were moving around a fair bit trying to get in before noticing all the new equipment and nothing went off. i'm thinking the sirens are more just to scare us off the premises and there really would be no easy way for security or cops to follow us into the building if the system is designed to alert them. would it be best to set off the alarms then wait from a safe lookout point to see if anyone shows up or just go in regardless of the alarms? or any other suggestions would be helpful. thanks!
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Everyday there is a post like this. Can you just make the decision yourself to enter this place or not? You shouldn't fish for suggestions if you are not willing to pay the consequences if your caught. And, since you mentioned more then one type of security device, perhaps you should try something else. Are you that hard-up for abandonments that you are willing to go into one which is secure..?
And i seriously doubt you know how to bypass detectors if yoru asking people for other suggestions.
Move on, there has to be something else near you, like a haunted barn.
[last edit 8/14/2007 2:44 PM by Air - edited 2 times]
"The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist |
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paragonUE
Location: upstate new york
Gender: Male
"I hope you have hobo stab insurance"
| | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 11 on 8/14/2007 4:45 PM >
| | | | well B&E charges are part of the territory i guess, its your descision then, if its worth it to you give it a try,
"do you feel lucky punk? Well do ya?"
little known fact, if you shake the sprinkles at the bottom of a doughnut bag while exploring, youll actually be cought by cops faster |
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Reckless Rebel
Location: Scranton PA
Gender: Male
Formerly anabolic
| | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 12 on 8/15/2007 3:34 AM >
| | | | Posted by micro
Blackhawk: scaring UER n00bs since January 17th, 2006.
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Blackhawk: Keeping everyone well-informed of life changing felony charges since January 17th, 2006. Cut him some slack he is just trying to stop someone from messing the rest of their life up.
Surrounded by empty mines and trains that just don't run.
Oh, my God. Holy shit. Fuck! I grew up with that lampshade. I love this kitchen. I fucking love this kitchen! |
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 13 on 8/15/2007 1:39 PM >
| | | | Well, I'd like to know which member of this forum he's referring to and (if they even exist) what happened to them after being charged.
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Explorer H
Obla-di-obla-doberator
Location: Around the corner from the Turkey Hill
Gender: Male
I just want some slack.
| | | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 14 on 8/15/2007 1:55 PM >
| | | | Posted by micro
Well, I'd like to know which member of this forum he's referring to and (if they even exist) what happened to them after being charged.
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Just use the search feature, there have been a few.
I agree with Blackhawk. All of those reasons are why I stick to low-risk locations. Call me a pussy, or whatever you like, I like my record clean. Not to mention I would lose my job, my wife would put me out to pasture, my family would be disgraced, I'd lose the right to arm and protect myself, and probably a whole bunch of other headaches. If the door is locked, I leave it that way, and move on.
There are many other places out there, you may have to drive, but they are out there.
http://doublehmedia.com http://hartmancommercialphoto.com |
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 15 on 8/15/2007 2:04 PM >
| | | | I know people have been caught and charged with things here. I'm just wondering who he's referring to specifically and whether or not the charges were eventually dropped, which is what tends to happen 95% of the time around here.
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 16 on 8/15/2007 2:07 PM >
| | | | And for the record, nobody's talking about busting down locked doors here. The original question involved sticking around a bit after setting off a motion detector to see if anyone bothers to show up.
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blackhawk
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 17 on 8/15/2007 2:37 PM >
| | | | Posted by micro
Well, I'd like to know which member of this forum he's referring to and (if they even exist) what happened to them after being charged.
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What's the point of dredging it up for you Micro?
Your just posting in this thread to try to play with me.
Why not offer the pay for all legal expenses and fines if they're busted since you seem to think a felony pop in the US is no big deal.
A more recent story was posted by Nomeus, and his dollar figure is what you can expect to pay if your lucky and this case is dismissed.
It was $6G if I remember right.
Retainers for good criminal lawyers aren't cheap.
If your found guilty your fucked, and for a felony conviction you could easily spend time in jail.
It's a real big deal.
Your yakking so much disinformation Micro that you did even notice a screw up you make in another post.
Perhaps if you put more effort towards the facts and concerned yourself less with discrediting others, you would actually accomplish something.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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blackhawk
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 18 on 8/15/2007 2:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by micro
And for the record, nobody's talking about busting down locked doors here. The original question involved sticking around a bit after setting off a motion detector to see if anyone bothers to show up.
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Well Nomeus didn't even do that much.
Tripping an alarm demonstrates intent to B&E.
You don't do chicken shit like that; expect to pay a very steep price for doing it in the US.
Sooner or latter if you use unsound tactics you'll get tagged and screwed down proper.
If a hobby is not financially and legally survivable, you be looking for a new one as soon as your luck (or bank account) runs out.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: determined but in need of suggestions
<Reply # 19 on 8/15/2007 3:07 PM >
| | | | I'd just like to know who on this site has ever been charged and convicted of a a felony because of something related to urban exploration. You seem to bring it up an awful lot, so I'm assuming it happens quite frequently around here.
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