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Location: Kingston, Ontario
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 |  | Re: TTC --- Provincial?
<Reply # 60 on 1/18/2008 12:17 AM >
|  | | | Streetcars move much quicker when there isn't people standing everywhere waiting to get on it, and people pulling that string trying to get off of it. It's speed isn't limited by it's technical abilities, it's limited by the passengers. A bus would have the exact same limitations.
You're right though, a bus would be able to divert around accidents and road closures better than a streetcar can, since it can drive on any road, not just where the tracks and wires are.
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rz350
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| | Re: TTC --- Provincial?
<Reply # 61 on 1/18/2008 12:33 AM >
| | | | bingo El. When I say I can drive faster down queen. I mean at the same time as the streetcars. Why am I passing them? I know they can go 70 or 80kmh. Why does my truck pass them? Cause I aint stuck on rails! ergo, I can also divert around closed roads, whereas a rail vehicle is stuck.
bus for the win.
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KONG
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| | Re: TTC --- Provincial?
<Reply # 62 on 1/18/2008 2:43 AM >
| | | | Except that 99% of the time, the rails are unobstructed, so this isn't an issue.
If the thousands of people who take the streetcar every day were even remotely as arrogant as you, Queen Street would never move.
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rz350
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| | Re: TTC --- Provincial?
<Reply # 63 on 1/18/2008 2:53 AM >
| | | | yeah, because I carrying my tools and shit on the streetcar (or wearing my 60+ pound rucksack) is oh so awesome.
[last edit 1/18/2008 2:54 AM by rz350 - edited 1 times]
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| | Re: TTC --- Provincial?
<Reply # 64 on 1/26/2008 3:00 AM >
| | | | Posted by rz350
Streetcars suck. Plain and simple. They block car and bicycle traffic. And vice versa, if a car accident on a street car route can not be cleared right away, it backs up transit.
Inb4 "Cars, who cares, we need less" GTFO my internets. I wonder how that food got to your supermarket or any other retail goods got to the store. How do you get your drywall and plywood home? Maybe, just maybe, I dont want to wait 25 minutes in -20 for an overcrowded, unpleasant ride that costs me more then taking my car.
Get rid of LTR. Go with heavy rail and busses.
inb4 but busses make smog.
You note that you do not get free power. The electric power that runs your precious trams came from a generator. Generators require mechanical force. Kind of like a bus. most eletric generation comes from thermal to boil water to make steam to spin turbine. Maybe its coal, or oil, or gas or nuclear. Just run biodiesel and hybrid busses. They can *holy shit* go AROUND traffic and other problems. they can DIVERT onto different routes if that route is 100% fubar.
busses for the win.
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I'm sorry but I do not agree with this. We used to have streetcars in Ottawa 49 years ago. When I tell some teenagers that we used to have them (using Toronto as a example), they always react, "Sick, I would ride that to school if we still had them" which proves the point that streetcars are more attractive. Blocking cars are good, it makes the car aware of transit alternatives which is better then polluting in your fucking single vehicle hogging up city space. The less vehicles on the road the better. I am a anti-car person and I hate cars. I came very close in 1997 to having a expressway built though my neighborhood and that lowered my property value so much and turned the area into a poor ghetto. Well it would of if our councilor voted against it and managed to stop it from being built as he is anti-car.
I absolutely hate cars, I can get around without having a car and I am living it. If it wasn't for cars I bet the Queen Streetcar wouldn't be as delayed as it is right now. I hate cars because cars lead to expressways and expressways lead to murdering neighborhoods. Parkdale in Toronto as you most know is now a ghetto. Before the Gardiner was built it was a rich area filled with mansions. That is just a example of what expressway construction can do to a neighborhood. Now let me ask you, would you want to live next to a loud and noisy expressway?
I am not afraid to back down on this subject and I am VERY strong on my position.
Also as for the "most eletric generation comes from thermal to boil water to make steam to spin turbine. Maybe its coal, or oil, or gas or nuclear." Yes it does still pollute but if you knew more on the subject you would know trolley buses and streetcars use the electricity more efficiently then diesel buses. So they use less energy then a regular bus resulting in less pollution from the plants, even if it's coal. Those coal plants also tend to be put in the middle of the country where there is tons of green plants around to lower the pollution where as in the city the pollution is spewed into concrete paradise which then stays there resulting in health hazards.
Posted by El Diablo
Streetcars move much quicker when there isn't people standing everywhere waiting to get on it, and people pulling that string trying to get off of it. It's speed isn't limited by it's technical abilities, it's limited by the passengers. A bus would have the exact same limitations.
You're right though, a bus would be able to divert around accidents and road closures better than a streetcar can, since it can drive on any road, not just where the tracks and wires are.
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You missed out one important point however, the CLRV can carry as many people as a D60LF bus. That makes the ALRV unmatched by a bus in capacity. Streetcars are more attractive as proven with the Spadina Streetcar by the TTC which increased ridership 9%.
As a D60LF is 60ft long and a CLRV is 45ft long, a bus with equal capacity hogs up more road space which is worth a lot during rush hours.
[last edit 1/26/2008 3:09 AM by OCInfiltrator - edited 3 times]
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