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 fedge
    
Location: Gaud Corners, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
you blight up my life™®
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<Reply # 1 on 3/25/2010 11:49 AM >
|  | | | $10 mill per station?!? It's much cheaper NOT to do it and let the odd suicide happen.
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Air
  
Location: Canada
| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 2 on 3/25/2010 12:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by fedge
$10 mill per station?!? It's much cheaper NOT to do it and let the odd suicide happen.
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Do you even know what your talking about? From what I have been told by Transit constables, they have a jumper per week. Maybe they got hit with a liability suit, and that my friend is much more expensive. This just screams liability control, and what's worse they are going to be using some shit design AND overcharging grossly.
Am I the only one who finds irony in neither of you being listed as being from Toronto and commenting about the TTC? Do any of you even take the ttc?
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z0th
Location: /dev/urandom
Gender: Male
On the bleeding edge of cocking things up.
| | | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 3 on 3/25/2010 12:13 PM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
Maybe they got hit with a liability suit, and that my friend is much more expensive. This just screams liability control, and what's worse they are going to be using some shit design AND overcharging grossly.
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could be lawsuits as well but i think the yearly stats got released. IIRC, the TTC had not released these stats to public record, there was a push for this mid-2009 for them to see the light of day.
edit: was kind of curious to see exactly what these things looked like. also, it was late 2009 when the stats got released, nov i think. im still not quite sure how i feel about this expenditure. one news bit i heard on the radio this morning mentioned this would require new trains as well. would kind of like to see some comparative transit suicide stats.
edit: speeling 
[last edit 3/25/2010 2:59 PM by z0th - edited 2 times]
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Foaming at the Mouth
Location: Canada
Gender: Male
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| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 4 on 3/25/2010 1:40 PM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
Am I the only one who finds irony in neither of you being listed as being from Toronto and commenting about the TTC? Do any of you even take the ttc?
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But everyone in Ontario pays for it...
I'm just pissed off about this because I'm going to miss the rush of musty, dirty subway tunnel air as a train enters a station. 
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TRAINS
Foaming at the Mouth
Location: Canada
Gender: Male
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| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 5 on 3/25/2010 1:46 PM >
| | | | Adam Giambrone: TTC did not approve platform screen doors yesterday, but did direct a report to come later this year. The doors make the system safer and run better/ faster, but require automatic train control which is being installed (still 4 years away on the Yonge Line and 10-12 years on the BD line). It will cost around $5M a station.
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Washu
Location: Ottawa
Gender: Male
| |  |  | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 6 on 3/25/2010 1:50 PM >
| | | | From the stats that have been released for 1998 to 2007 there were an average of 15 suicides per year, or 25 per year if attempts are included.
I find it interesting that the there are only an average of 25 per year on the much larger new york system.
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MutantMandias
Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
| | | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 7 on 3/25/2010 2:24 PM >
| | | | At a minimum, it should make the air exhaust vents much more exciting.
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z0th
Location: /dev/urandom
Gender: Male
On the bleeding edge of cocking things up.
| | | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 8 on 3/25/2010 2:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by TRAINS
But everyone in Ontario pays for it...
I'm just pissed off about this because I'm going to miss the rush of musty, dirty subway tunnel air as a train enters a station.
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very true. ill miss that rush of air too...
Washu... link to those NYC subway suicide stats?
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Washu
Location: Ottawa
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 9 on 3/25/2010 3:14 PM >
| | | | I got them from here
http://en.wikipedi...ty_Subway#Suicides
I just took the total number in the time period (343) divided by the number of years (14).
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Archer
Location: Toronto, ON
Gender: Male
Imperator Sagittario
| | | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 10 on 3/25/2010 5:13 PM >
| | | | The stats people state for the TTC are skewed, as they're classified really narrowly and anything outside those conditions aren't counted as such.
The barriers will do more than just prevent suicides... they'll also prevent objects from being dropped to track level (and people going down after their belongings), people from being clipped as they lean out over the yellow edging (not counted in the stats but also cause significant delays), and people from throwing things at trains and damaging them (glass is still glass on the trains).
But yes, they do require ATO to be in place so the doors on the train line up properly with the platform doors, and at $5 million per station I question if that price tag is reasonable, especially when you factor in the long-term maintenance cost and the possibility of delays due to the platform doors malfunctioning... it might be cheaper even with liability thrown into the mix to maintain the status quo for now.
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oddspot
Location: Small Town Alberta
Gender: Male
| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 12 on 3/25/2010 5:53 PM >
| | | | Looks to me again like protectionism at it's best!
Barriers to prevent people getting knicked by an incoming train or things from falling to track level! BULLSHIT is what that stuff is.
What next? barriers next to every road curbside to prevent the same from happening with cars? At some point we have to be responsible for our own actions and safety and not rely on a system to do it for us.
...and yes I have used the TTC extensively. Daily from Kipling to Yonge/Eg for three years
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M. Fuzzy
Location: GTA
Gender: Male
Machine Gun Bunnies!
| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 13 on 3/25/2010 6:30 PM >
| | | | TTC can't afford it unless the government or Premier Dad kicks in the money or there's a fare hike. They're already cash-strapped as it is and everyone hears them whine when they're short a penny. What I think: they'll get the total cost estimation and drop the idea like it's a month-old mouldy sandwich.
Ok, they're trying to prevent suicides at subway stations, but people are just going to find some other way or place to do it. Maybe they'll start walking in front of buses or streetcars, or running into the tunnels and getting hit by trains instead of jumping off the station platforms. Nothing is foolproof to a fool.
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l333t
| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 14 on 3/25/2010 7:19 PM >
| | | | people will find other ways of killing themselves,if some one wants to kill themselves even with ttc barrier,the rail lines are still unprotected,but at least we will have a automated system
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Jupiter
Moderator
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
Boffo's alright... for now.
| | | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 15 on 3/25/2010 8:03 PM >
| | | | -Suicide Prevention
-Minimize delays
-Possible savings on heating costs
...I really don't see the problem with this.
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bandi
Lippy Mechanic Bastard
Location: Trent Hills, ON
Gender: Male
A liminal mind is all I've ever known.
| |  | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 16 on 3/25/2010 8:07 PM >
| | | | Meh, if someone is going to bump theirself off, they were probably making everyone around them miserable as well.
However, reduced energy costs? I'm sold!
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 17 on 3/25/2010 8:26 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jupiter
-Possible savings on heating costs
...I really don't see the problem with this.
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Me neither.. 
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M. Fuzzy
Location: GTA
Gender: Male
Machine Gun Bunnies!
| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 18 on 3/25/2010 8:30 PM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
Me neither..
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The savings won't be passed on, there will be no fare reduction 
It's a good idea, but it involves a lot of money that's gotta come from somewhere in order for it to get done. Maybe another one of their pilot projects is in order (like erecting suicide barriers at Bloor/Yonge for a one year trial).
[last edit 3/25/2010 8:30 PM by M. Fuzzy - edited 1 times]
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Ares
Location: Vaughan, On
Gender: Male
| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 19 on 3/25/2010 9:37 PM >
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I think the money would be better spent on equipment and services.
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