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bandi Lippy Mechanic Bastard
Location: Trent Hills, ON Gender: Male Total Likes: 734 likes
A liminal mind is all I've ever known.
| | | | Re: Is there a little similarity here? < Reply # 27 on 2/1/2010 2:32 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Personally, I don't give a fuck what JD Power or his associates think about vehicle assembly plants. And don't start on VW build quality... at 600,000 km on my DIESEL nothing rattles yet, aside from the engine which has rattled from day one. On a new Cobalt/Malibu/Sierra/Acadia/etc, everything rattles. We get sooooo many comebacks at the dealership for rattles. I know you've said plastic is plastic BUT THERE IS A MASSIVE difference, and if you can't notice it, there's something wrong. I'm not saying VW is the perfect car, but if you're going to take a jab at the build quality, you should drive something more than an '82 Rabbit. I drive 5-15 GM products a day, and the build quality on half of them is a god damn joke. Driving a G6 is like being in a box of baby rattles and don't get me started on the Saturn Ion again. However, I'm gonna defend the new Camaro, the interior is great in it, it definitely has some Holden influence, and the car drives beautifully. But sadly, I know some of the people that build them, and I'd rather a Mexican slapped my car together than a brainwashed, mullet-headed Earnhardt fan with a grade 3 education getting paid 80k a year. We're getting fewer warranty repairs on the Mexican built full size GM trucks than US built ones...
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| Samurai Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York Total Likes: 1902 likes
No matter where you go, there you are...
| | | Re: Is there a little similarity here? < Reply # 31 on 2/1/2010 4:42 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | at 217,000 miles, my Cavalier didn't rattle (but on a good bump, the strut bearings would cry mercy). at 179,000 miles, my Monte Carlo didn't rattle/squeak. at 74,000 miles, my Cobalt SS STILL doesn't rattle or thump. my mom's G6 sedan never rattled and still doesn't rattle/squeak at 16,000 miles (but her CD player sometimes has a mind of it's own). my brothers' 01 Monte Carlo... 88,000 miles no squeaks/rattles... his 96 Silverado has 155,000 miles and after him pummeling it, ok, that does rattle and squeak in the cold... you canadians must have super human perceptions... volkswagen and their fine build quality. i've lost count of how many Golfs and Jettas I see in salvage yards because of their swell engines and transmissions. Yeah, their a superior car, alright. A friend of mine junked his 98 Jetta GT after three transaxles... his shed reverse, so he bought another one... the replacement shed reverse. So he had it replaced a third time and that one just ate reverse as well... he had sold it for scrap. VW= farfrommovin'
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| Samurai Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York Total Likes: 1902 likes
No matter where you go, there you are...
| | | Re: Is there a little similarity here? < Reply # 34 on 2/1/2010 4:51 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by bandi And VW automatic transaxles are shit. I won't argue that. But so are the ones in GM minivans, '99-'08 half ton trucks and Cobalt 6 speed manuals.
| this wasn't an automatic... this was a 5speed. also, my friends' 98 Golf GTI VR6 did the same thing, but was still under factory warranty. Cobalts don't have 6 speed gearboxes... the Supercharged models use a transaxle lifted from the Saab 9-3 Turbo. Biggest problem with the SS/SC gearbox was the fact that it was never meant to be behind a supercharged engine. You and I know that in the world of forced induction, the gearing of a transaxle has to be different. A turbo car will have a deep first gear to get the engine to wind up quick to minimize turbo lag. A supercharged engine has boost just off idle and doesn't need to be wound up hard. The Cobalt box has a mineshaft deep first gear... the boost hits hard, the front end spins, the 18" wheels start to do the dreaded 'basketball' and the transaxle cannot absorb that shock load and shatters. Funny how the cars with the limited slip aren't doing it. Also, a fell SS/SC owner here in town continues to beat his SS, burning the tires and has yet to shatter his transmission. Sadly, I will have to concede that GM could've handled the warranty situation better, especially since they seemed to know that the Saab 5-speed was not up to the task behind that engine. From what I have gleaned from Cobaltss.net, the transaxle in the Turbo SS is a much better one than the SS/SC had. where i worked, we had a 03 Chevy Venture. It was a short wheelbase, 3400 V6, automatic. the van was a whore. everyone drove it and I drove it hard... i liked the way the 6 sounded when you were beating the piss out of it. As far as I knew, it never needed a transaxle up until the 100,000 mile mark when it went back to GSA. But one van does not make a trend. From what Pete said (the master tech where my brother works- he does all the transmission work as well), will GM FWD transaxles, it's not usually the transmission that fails, but the solenoids inside the transaxle. You pop off the side cover and just change them out. Very rarely has he seen a catastrophic failure where the transmission had to be rebuilt or replaced. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's rare... DODGE on the other hand... !!!!!!!
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| velcrozeppelin
Location: Rochester, NY Gender: Male Total Likes: 3 likes
Mandalorian Mayhem
| | | | | Re: Is there a little similarity here? < Reply # 39 on 2/1/2010 5:21 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Samurai
man, you are in the minority!
| But as far as noises, I should take you guys complaining about rattles, clunks, thunks, twangs, groans, chugs, slaps, etc. on a ride. I've got a cylinder firing just a little late, a wheel bearing (whole hub assembly) on its way out, and it's a 2000 Stratus. I have to have the music *very* loud if I want to hear anything other than said noises.
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