Posted by Sadsit Poor puppy.

Just remember this face next time you are driving....




Haha

yeah it will end up looking like this then...

Fuck the puppies. Puppies are animals. Animals are meat, meat is food...

Posted by tunnelbug fine. you all win. I'll continue not to wear my seatbelts in 25 mph zones and get the same ticket that running a red light would get me. The guy running the red light is endangering everybody, whilst I'm endangering nobody but myself.

Let us ignore the high speed collisions where your body will exit the vehicle because you seem to understand the need for a seatbelt then.

I'd like to concentrate on the lower speed collisions, you may be just fine without a seatbelt, however the situation may happen like this....

Low speed collision, your body is removed from the drivers seat and pushed into the passenger seat. Now your car is uncontrolled, no one at the wheel or the brakes. Your car hits an innocent child on the side of the street and now your lack of a seatbelt killed someone else.

Now you're saying "not likely" well you're right, but still, why don't you just wear your seatbelt. It keeps you in the position you belong.

Also, I know someone who crushed and killed his infant daughter at only 30mph because he wasn't wearing a seatbelt. He only had a slight facial injury from the window he hit. It was very sad, he has to live with his actions forever.



Seatbelts have caused deaths, especially when people are stuck inside a burning vehicle, but they save far more lives then they take.

The study from 1982 is inconclusive to today's cars, seatbelts and cars are much more advanced. Unfortunetly we only have 3-point belts and that causes body rotation and bruising, cars would be ideal with 4 point belts (a 5-point really isn't needed unless the car is for racing)


Anyone who is posting from Canada is referring to our tax dollars spent on public health care. We pay for every citizens complete health care in Canada with our tax dollars, we don't need to purchase medical insurance like our neighbours in the United States do. So if someone is doing something incredibly stupid and requires rescue or health care, people tend to get their backs up. I personally feel if you sign up for the ride (public health care) then hold-on and quit complaining. Everyone, absolutely everyone, will do something in their life that is bad for their health, if we start excluding care to smokers, non-seatbelt wearers, ect. then where will we draw the line?

Posted by KublaKhan Wearing a seatbelt saved my life. Period. {EDIT: grammar Nazi, moi]

Saved my Mother's life, saved me from serious injury on three occasions and saved shutterbug from serious injury on two occasions.

And when I was 8 years old, I was not wearing a seat belt. The door flew open when my Dad went around a corner and if it wasn't for his reflexes I would have been thrown out the door. (Thanks Dad!)

Yup, I have no problem with wearing seatbelts. Worn properly, they are relatively comfortable and definitely save lives.

As for the tickets, well, try fighting it in court and good luck.

Posted by Nvr2loud I'd like to concentrate on the lower speed collisions, you may be just fine without a seatbelt, however the situation may happen like this.... Low speed collision, your body is removed from the drivers seat and pushed into the passenger seat. Now your car is uncontrolled, no one at the wheel or the brakes. Your car hits an innocent child on the side of the street and now your lack of a seatbelt killed someone else.

Very well put. Also, I forgot to mention, I was in another accident 21 years ago. This was a low speed collision (approx 25 km/h). I was not wearing my seat belt and went into the steering wheel. Cracked nose, loosened teeth, 8 stitches through my lip, concussion and bruising. The accident I had in January of this year was at a higher rate of speed (about 75 to 80 km/h at impact). Both shutterbug and I were wearing our seat belts and while the Jimmy was a write off, we both walked away with no injuries.

One more thing, how would your family feel if they heard about you getting killed because you didn't buckle up tunnelbug? Especially if that simple act could have saved your life? You're not the only person that gets hurt.

People, it's a choice. I make a choice. And its mine to make. I don't expect the govt to pay for my stupidity, but I don't expect them to fine me as much as someone running a red light.

Like I said. Highway robbery.

Yes, it is your choice to break the law. It is also the authorities choice to set a punishment for breaking the law. You can choose to break any law you wish, but be prepared to pay the price.

I have as much sympathy for a theif who is pissed-off at being sent to jail for 6 months. You made your bed, sleep in it!

There are many laws that I don't agree with, but that dosen't change the fact that those laws exist. Take the ticket to court.

As for comparing the fine to a red-light-runner, perhaps the fine isn't fair for you, perhaps the local authorities are sick of peeling people off the road. The fine is only a deterent, are you detered now?

Posted by tunnelbug I don't expect the govt to pay for my stupidity,

I hear this all the time.

"So what if it's dangerous going into an old abandoned mill? I know the risks. It's my own decision. I'm not going to make anyone pay for my actions."

And then you get hurt, and there is $10,000 spent by emergency workers getting you out safely, and the owner of the property has to spend another $5,000 identifying any possible entry points and securing them, or risk fines, and your medical bills run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars with a week or two. You may not have any intention of making other people pay, but you sure do.

And even if you have the integrity to not sue the property owner yourself, if you can't pay you then can sure bet that someone will sue the property owner to recoup some costs.

Posted by Nvr2loud The fine is only a deterent, are you detered now?

No, I'm not deterred, because 99% of the time, I'm getting in and out of my truck and am driving on city streets.

Why are UPS drivers allowed not to wear their seatbelt? Why don't school buses have seatbelts.

It's a a weird law, and I don't believe in it, so I still don't wear my seatbelt.

Posted by Nvr2loud Yes, it is your choice to break the law. It is also the authorities choice to set a punishment for breaking the law. You can choose to break any law you wish, but be prepared to pay the price.

And that's pretty much the bottom line. What else is there to say?

BEFORE

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AFTER

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Sums it up.

Posted by KublaKhan And that's pretty much the bottom line. What else is there to say?

What I'm saying is that it's an unjust law because in Utah a seatbelt ticket is $40 dollars.

In California it's $185.

Compounded with the cost of living in California (which is astronomical compared to Utah), it unjustly penalizes people for a decision.

It'd be like fining somebody for smoking in their own home, or using an electric blowdryer in their bath tub, or putting their hands in the garbage disposal while it's on.

The government is not our daddy and mommy.

Posted by tunnelbug No, I'm not deterred, because 99% of the time, I'm getting in and out of my truck and am driving on city streets. Why are UPS drivers allowed not to wear their seatbelt? Why don't school buses have seatbelts. It's a a weird law, and I don't believe in it, so I still don't wear my seatbelt.

1) Then go ahead and pay the fine

2) I don't know about UPS drivers, I have a friend who drives for Snap-On tools and his route requires that he only moves the few hundred feet between sites. He dosen't wear a seatbelt on the truck while in the city, most cops let him get away with it, however sometimes he gets nabbed also.

3) School bus seats are designed in a way to help protect children during a crash, apparantly the use of seatbelts on a school bus is deemed to be more dangerous then no seat belts. I'm not sure how the seats actually accomplish that, I remember the seats having metal bars inside the backs that would easily crack a skull. The school bus seatbelt debate was happening here in Ontario for awhile and the news reports said the seats were a safety feature to elminate the need for seatbelts.... I don't personally believe it, but I also won't let my kids ride a school bus.

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Posted by tunnelbug What I'm saying is that it's an unjust law because in Utah a seatbelt ticket is $40 dollars. In California it's $185.

What a major incentive. I guess it pays to live in Utah.

It'd be like fining somebody for smoking in their own home, or using an electric blowdryer in their bath tub, or putting their hands in the garbage disposal while it's on.

If you want to endanger your live within the sanctity of your own home, go for it. If you want to endanger your life on a public/state highway, that's something different. Why? Insurance rates are calculated...never mind.

Don't wear seatbelts. Knock yourself out (literally).

Posted by fedge Actually, yes - stop FREE health care

Move to America. You can have as much not free stuff as you can afford.

Posted by Glass Move to America. You can have as much not free stuff as you can afford.

Best Response To...oh whatever.

[EDIT: best ironic juxtaposition EVER]

Posted by fedge And I feel if someone is stupid enough not to wear seatbelts, helmets, or other protections then that person ought to forfeit medical rescue efforts paid by taxpayer dollars.

WAIT JUST A FUCKING MINUTE HERE, FEDGIE BABY... I think you need to check into who, what where and why this stupid seat belt law came into effect.
It was insurance companies that lobbied to have this fucking monstrosity of a law enacted... and then, in their infinite fucking brilliance, the state realized how much money they could make off of ticketing people for not wearing their seatbelt. Over in New Hampshire, there is no helmet or seat belt law. Whilst living in tennessee, i never wore my seatbelt.

In fact, one of the worst times I ever got hurt in a car, I WAS wearing my fucking seatbelt... it broke and sent me flying into a windshield. You know, all you pro-law girly men can kiss my fucking ass. Just pucker up buttercup and start smooching my big fat ass... people are being fucking raped a system and you all are bleating 'well that's the law, junior.' Well, the law is wrong. Here in NY, not only do you have to pay the fucking $150 for a seatbelt ticket, but along comes the court in whatever municipality you get nabbed in and they fuck you for another $55-80 in COURT CHARGES!!! And then they get all pissed when you want to know what these fucking court charges are for?



Samurai

Posted by Samurai WAIT JUST A FUCKING MINUTE HERE, FEDGIE BABY... I think you need to check into who, what where and why this stupid seat belt law came into effect. It was insurance companies that lobbied to have this fucking monstrosity of a law enacted... and then, in their infinite fucking brilliance, the state realized how much money they could make off of ticketing people for not wearing their seatbelt. Over in New Hampshire, there is no helmet or seat belt law. Whilst living in tennessee, i never wore my seatbelt.

Pardon the butting in here:
It may be because the insurance companies want to make a buck or two extra but I still swear by them from personal experience. As I mentioned in my earlier post, seatbelts have saved me from serious injury and death on three occasions. They have also saved two members of my family on two separate occasions. On two of those occasions, the vehicles were write offs but my Mom and my wife both walked away from those crashes.

The one time I was hurt in an accident was when I was not wearing them. That was stupid of me and fortunately I was not charged for them. The cop figured rightly I learned my lesson. The other time I was not wearing my seatbelt, the only thing that saved me from getting seriously hurt or killed was my Dad's reflexes (he literally grabbed me by the scruff of the neck and yanked me back into the car before I flew out the door.)

Posted by Samurai In fact, one of the worst times I ever got hurt in a car, I WAS wearing my fucking seatbelt... it broke and sent me flying into a windshield. You know, all you pro-law girly men can kiss my fucking ass. Just pucker up buttercup and start smooching my big fat ass... people are being fucking raped a system and you all are bleating 'well that's the law, junior.' Well, the law is wrong. Here in NY, not only do you have to pay the fucking $150 for a seatbelt ticket, but along comes the court in whatever municipality you get nabbed in and they fuck you for another $55-80 in COURT CHARGES!!! And then they get all pissed when you want to know what these fucking court charges are for? Samurai

And why did it break? Was it constantly caught in the door? Was it used in a previous accident? I'm no car expert but when anything is not maintained properly or abused, be it brakes, engine or even seatbelts, it won't last long and will fail.
For seatbelts to do their job, they have to be used properly and maintained properly (ie not caught in the doors etc). And it was made clear to me that they are a one use item. In other words, after an accident, they have to be replaced with brand new seatbelts. And that was from a licensed mechanic with 15 years of experience.

And this post is not mindless 'bleating'. This is from personal experience. I agree the government screws you at every opportunity but there are a few laws that are justified. This is one of them.

Over to you fedge!