http://www.youtube...atch?v=mI261VU0AZA


I'm to pissed to say anything clever. So I will say this:

Fuck them.

And Fuck every Christian that wishes to control other peoples lives. And to do so with outright lies is even worse. I hope there is a hell, Because I know a whole group of people who are going there.

I giggled at "a rainbow coalition"

Posted by Yehoshua I giggled at "a rainbow coalition"

Maybe they are waiting for their rainbow connection.

"This affects my life."

No it fucking does not. Unless you are interested in being in a gay marriage, then maybe I'd agree that it affects your life. Here's the deal.... if marriage is such a sacred special religious concept, then keep it in the church. There should be no such thing as a "legal marriage," merely civil unions among people that allow them certain legal rights, pertaining to property, money, medical decisions, whatever.


I support the group that works for civil unions for all and the abolishment of the term marriage in the legal system.

I say this as a christian.

Once upon a time, some Congress-critter asked the GAO (or some other fact-snooping part of the Congressional support system) to give him a list of the Federal benefits of being married in the US.

The document was about 78 pages long. Over 1000 right granted to you for participating in a religious service that is only truly applicable (in it's legal form in the US) to a very few religions (one in particular...wanna guess which one?)

Here are a few...
1. Joint parental rights of children
2. Joint adoption
3. Status as "next-of-kin" for hospital visits and medical decisions
4. Right to make a decision about the disposal of loved ones remains
5. Immigration and residency for partners from other countries
6. Crime victims recovery benefits
7. Domestic violence protection orders
8. Judicial protections and immunity
9. Automatic inheritance in the absence of a will
10. Public safety officers death benefits
11. Spousal veterans benefits
12. Social Security
13. Medicare
14. Joint filing of tax returns
15. Wrongful death benefits for surviving partner and children
16. Bereavement or sick leave to care for partner or children
17. Child support
18. Joint Insurance Plans
19. Tax credits including: Child tax credit, Hope and lifetime learning redits
20. Deferred Compensation for pension and IRAs
21. Estate and gift tax benefits
22. Welfare and public assistance
23. Joint housing for elderly
24. Credit protection
25. Medical care for survivors and dependents of certain veterans

There are over 400 rights granted to married couples by the states (depending on which one you are in). Right granted to you for participating in a religious service that is only truly applicable (in it's legal form in the US) to a very few religions (one in particular...wanna guess which one?)

Sorry, till the government gets outta the marriage business, this will never end. I seem to recall the same argument about destroying everyone's life being made the last time pious folk fought to defend the sanctity of marriage against some horrid change. Oh yeah, here we go...

http://caselaw.lp....US&vol=388&invol=1

Posted by IrishLady "This affects my life." No it fucking does not. Unless you are interested in being in a gay marriage, then maybe I'd agree that it affects your life. Here's the deal.... if marriage is such a sacred special religious concept, then keep it in the church. There should be no such thing as a "legal marriage," merely civil unions among people that allow them certain legal rights, pertaining to property, money, medical decisions, whatever. I support the group that works for civil unions for all and the abolishment of the term marriage in the legal system. I say this as a christian.

Well put.

Same here. I really don't care who marries whom as long as it doesn't affect me. Keeping a marriage stable starts and pretty much ends in the home between spouses.

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It has been removed by user now!!!

Well here is something to cheer us up!

http://www.youtube...atch?v=B4Pr2f8mTqQ

I jerked off twice in that 3:39

I know. I'm pretty sexy aren't I?

"It feels pretty weird".

Then why did she post this video in the same place. And where are her parents?

Aw f**k. Random thoughts while waiting for my car to be fixed.

To meet new people. Like Hello, Silly!

Posted by Greg To meet new people. Like Hello, Silly!

Oh. Righ-h-h-t. <smacks forehead>

Easier to show off to potential perverts than actually meeting people in person (preferably in a safer place like school).

Now, before the thread gets locked, I guess we should get back on topic.


_{Not a pleasant day for me today.}

Back on topic:

http://www.colbert...ti-gay-marriage-ad

Mr. Colbert's own version of the ad comes toward the end of the video.

It looks like they're moving stuff around on the website, it's the April 16th episode
http://www.comedyc...l?episodeId=224786 at about about 6:30 on this video....

Jesus must have swept the video up in Rapture, cuz it's gone now.

Indeed.
But then he gave it back...
http://www.colbert...ti-gay-marriage-ad

Posted by dirt And Fuck every Christian that wishes to control other peoples lives.

Much, if not most, of what you value in civilization has a Christian origin like universities, hospitals, museums and, wait for it...the idea of HUMAN RIGHTS!

Marriage, in the Christian sense anyway and as practiced by most Americans, is a religious sacrament specifically between a man, a woman and God as validated for believers by natural law and our Holy Scripture. The main problem most Christians have with gay marriage is that our religion (and even modern psychiatry up until our "politically correct" revolution) teaches that homosexuality is abnormal human behavior which should be addressed as such. We do not believe being homosexual is a sin, we only believe that acting out sexually on those feelings is sinful. We understand that a person may have no control over their sexual desires, (we all have our particular cross to bear) but they do have control over their actions and claiming those actions are okay just because consenting adults agree to take part in them does not make it so and is rightfully discouraged by Christians and other people of good will. Just as you have the right to disagree with Christian ideals and values in the public arena, we are also permitted to share what we accept to be true and support political action which validates and upholds those principles.

I could envision support for legislation which would recognize some type of "life partnership" legal agreement between consenting adults, regardless of their sexual orientation, with the same rights afforded couples in a traditional marriage arrangement but without calling it "marriage". I think most Christians would have no problem backing something like that, simply because we believe in a sense of fairness and equality for our fellow man, not because we endorse the behavior. There are plenty of religious communities out there that will "marry" these sorts of couples already so there should be no need to push the religious acceptance issue further than that.

Posted by Trixi Marriage... as practiced by most Americans, is a religious sacrament specifically between a man, a woman and God

That is complete and utter bullshit. Maybe that's true for like 10% of people, but most people who like to pretend things like that publicly do not really practice or believe it in their minds, except as a kind of protective blanket that they can just drape over all of their fears and desires.

Posted by Trixi The main problem most Christians have with gay marriage is that our religion (and even modern psychiatry up until our "politically correct" revolution) teaches that homosexuality is abnormal human behavior which should be addressed as such.

"Modern psychiatry" is the psychiatry of today, by the way, and, as you know, it has come to recognize the fact that the consideration of homosexuality as an aberration or disorder is a relic of Victorian closed mindedness and religious intolerance (i.e. the intolerance of the religious). Before the High Middle Ages, homosexual acts appear to have been tolerated or ignored by the Christian church throughout Europe.

Posted by Trixi We do not believe being homosexual is a sin

Do not convince yourself that anyone else gives a shit about what you consider is a sin or not.

Posted by Trixi claiming those actions are okay just because consenting adults agree to take part in them does not make it so

Yeah, it pretty much does in most cases.

Your claiming that it is wrong does not make it so, simply because some people in the past few hundred years have decided that it is wrong, contrary to the fact that all scientific evidence and even casual observation of all higher animal life on the planet proves that it is both common and natural.

Posted by Trixi we are also permitted to share what we accept to be true and support political action which validates and upholds those principles.

Sure thing. Do what you like. And, as long as you're free to do that, I'm sure you won't mind people trying to make laws that outlaw Christianity, right?

Posted by Trixi I could envision support for legislation which would recognize some type of "life partnership" legal agreement between consenting adults,

You know what? We already have that. It is called "marriage," which is a legal arrangement in the eyes of the state, because, as we all know, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Hunh. How about that.

You are of course free to make whatever religious connections you like for your own life, but your religious ceremony has nothing to do with that wedding certificate.

Posted by MutantMandias That is complete and utter bullshit. Maybe that's true for like 10% of people, but most people who like to pretend things like that publicly do not really practice or believe it in their minds, except as a kind of protective blanket that they can just drape over all of their fears and desires.

I am calling bullshit on your logic, no disrespect intended.

"Modern psychiatry" is the psychiatry of today, by the way, and, as you know, it has come to recognize the fact that the consideration of homosexuality as an aberration or disorder is a relic of Victorian closed mindedness and religious intolerance (i.e. the intolerance of the religious). Before the High Middle Ages, homosexual acts appear to have been tolerated or ignored by the Christian church throughout Europe.

I am also calling bullshit on your suggestion that the consideration of homosexuality as an aberration or disorder (as you put it) is somehow recent or only the view of those who are close minded and intolerant. The writer of the article you site which states "homosexual acts appear to have been tolerated" is giving his personal opinion which is subject to varied interpretation since no facts are offered as proof. In fact, the generalizations he makes and how he blames religion and Thomas Aquinas for messing things up for homosexuals are really quite funny.

Do not convince yourself that anyone else gives a shit about what you consider is a sin or not.

I could care less whether people like what I think, particularly those who claim to be so open minded but cannot give people with differing opinions the same respect they themselves demand. This is a religious discussion board and sin is an appropriate topic. Perhaps if it makes you uncomfortable to hear the opinions of the religious, you should not have joined this board.

... I'm sure you won't mind people trying to make laws that outlaw Christianity, right?

Christianity is and always has been outlawed and/or greatly prohibited in many parts of the world. I don't believe our Constitution is set up to be able to keep people from practicing their religion but if that's someones thing and they want to try, I guess they have every right to go for it.

You know what? We already have that. It is called "marriage," which is a legal arrangement in the eyes of the state, because, as we all know, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Hunh. How about that.

The First Amendment establishment clause has nothing to do with marriage. No one has asked for laws establishing a national religion or preference for one type of faith or religious idea over another which is what this clause refers to.

The beauty of this country is that if you believe laws are unjust, you can try to get people to agree and help you get them changed. Crying that others who don't subscribe to your opinions are being oppressive or intolerant won't push things along any faster.

Posted by Trixi I am calling bullshit on your logic, no disrespect intended.

There wasn't any logic there. It was just an observation.

Posted by Trixi The writer of the article you site which states "homosexual acts appear to have been tolerated" is giving his personal opinion which is subject to varied interpretation since no facts are offered as proof.

There are plenty of documented societies, past and present, that include homosexuality as part of standard and accepted social relationships.

Posted by Trixi Perhaps if it makes you uncomfortable to hear the opinions of the religious, you should not have joined this board.

Yes, I am so very uncomfortable.

Posted by Trixi I don't believe our Constitution is set up to be able to keep people from practicing their religion but if that's someones thing and they want to try, I guess they have every right to go for it.

Sure, people are free to try it. But it would be illegal to do it, of course. Just like it should be illegal for religious restrictions to be place on legal marriage.

Posted by Trixi The First Amendment establishment clause has nothing to do with marriage.

Not true. Same sex marriage restrictions fail the Establishment clause's Lemon test: the statute must have a secular legislative purpose; second, its principal or primary effect must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion; finally, the statute must not foster "an excessive government entanglement with religion

Posted by Trixi The beauty of this country is that if you believe laws are unjust, you can try to get people to agree and help you get them changed. Crying that others who don't subscribe to your opinions are being oppressive or intolerant won't push things along any faster.

Right. It's fantastic that the systems works and that the restrictions are being removed. God Bless America!

Posted by MutantMandias ...Just like it should be illegal for religious restrictions to be place on legal marriage.

Why do you imply that there are religious restrictions placed on marriage simply because same-sex marriages are not permitted? What does biology and common sense have to do with religious restrictions? Could you please define what religious restrictions exactly you are referring to? Any couple comprised of a male and a female may legally marry one another if they are of age and consent, regardless of their religious or sexual orientation. I secretly hope Clay Aiken marries his child's mother ;)

Not true. Same sex marriage restrictions fail the Establishment clause's Lemon test: the statute must have a secular legislative purpose; second, its principal or primary effect must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion; finally, the statute must not foster "an excessive government entanglement with religion

The Defense Of Marriage Act, passed under the Clinton administration by an overwhelming majority, clearly lays out the definition of marriage:

"In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word 'marriage' means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word 'spouse' refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife."

If you were to take that up with the general public, they would uphold the definition as given in the DOMA with their ballots, which happened in California with Proposition 8.

Right. It's fantastic that the systems works and that the restrictions are being removed. God Bless America!

Despite the fact that I disagree with the idea of gay marriage, I completely understand the desire for couples to have their same-sex unions recognized under the law and the need to make some changes which better reflect the acceptance of this diversity in our nation. It will be interesting to see how this legal drama plays itself out.