I can kind of see it; I know when GM redid the Imapla for the 2005 model year, Dukes and I noticed that Honda, Nissan and Ford started to copy the slanted nose and tail of the Imapla.

clearly they did because the impala is the greatest car ever made

while were making up crazyness lets say the impala copied the R34 skyline tail lights

The new camaro.






No thanks.

Posted by steponmebbbboom The new camaro. http://www.tallpin.../i//cars_movie.jpg No thanks.

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camaro is awful the interior has zero build quality

Posted by Nismo camaro is awful the interior has zero build quality

you can suck my ass.
you're a fucking idiot when you say shit like this.

what the fuck would you know about build quality??!?!?!? You drive a fucking VOLKSWAGEN!!!! A car assembled by angry, Spanish-speaking people who think a donkey is rapid transit!!! You wouldn't know build quality is someone swatted you with a bumper off a Silverado, you inane dolt!!!!!!!!

Build quality... listen to Nismo, like he's fucking car & driver or something.
trolling asshole.

at least the Camaro is assembled by Angry Canadians who know how to build a car!!!!!!!!!

Yup that's right. Oshawa has won several awards for best quality out of all car plants in North America which includes VW's plant in Mexico.

Personally, I don't give a fuck what JD Power or his associates think about vehicle assembly plants.

And don't start on VW build quality... at 600,000 km on my DIESEL nothing rattles yet, aside from the engine which has rattled from day one. On a new Cobalt/Malibu/Sierra/Acadia/etc, everything rattles. We get sooooo many comebacks at the dealership for rattles. I know you've said plastic is plastic BUT THERE IS A MASSIVE difference, and if you can't notice it, there's something wrong. I'm not saying VW is the perfect car, but if you're going to take a jab at the build quality, you should drive something more than an '82 Rabbit. I drive 5-15 GM products a day, and the build quality on half of them is a god damn joke. Driving a G6 is like being in a box of baby rattles and don't get me started on the Saturn Ion again.

However, I'm gonna defend the new Camaro, the interior is great in it, it definitely has some Holden influence, and the car drives beautifully.

But sadly, I know some of the people that build them, and I'd rather a Mexican slapped my car together than a brainwashed, mullet-headed Earnhardt fan with a grade 3 education getting paid 80k a year. We're getting fewer warranty repairs on the Mexican built full size GM trucks than US built ones...

I should add that GM didn't almost go bankrupt because of their incredible quality and fantastic decision making.

Posted by bandi I should add that GM didn't almost go bankrupt because of their incredible quality and fantastic decision making.

Well, they failed to properly change direction really.

You know, I honestly can say that in all the cars I have driven on 2 continents, I never had a rattle like you describe. I could see where that could annoy someone, but that never was an issue for me.

I was always impressed with the build quality out of Oshawa compared to all other GM plants and I can always count on consistency from them. Lordstown I know those guys CAN make a great car but they do drop the ball for no reason. Second to Oshawa I always like Janesville; mainly because I spent part of my childhood living in Wisconsin.

I've met a few people from Oshawa too; I didn't find them any more looney than the guys I met at Janesville when I did a plant tour there.

The Mexico Plant I do agree does make a solid product on the trucks but their sedans and everything else seems a bit sloppy.

And VW, well I found their body and interior quality pretty good; its their engine quality that kind of bothers me.

Posted by Agent Skelly And VW, well I found their body and interior quality pretty good; its their engine quality that kind of bothers me.

WTF is wrong with their engines? If you had have said electrical systems, I'd agree... but that comment just voided any bit of automotive knowledge you may have aquired on wikipedia.

at 217,000 miles, my Cavalier didn't rattle (but on a good bump, the strut bearings would cry mercy).
at 179,000 miles, my Monte Carlo didn't rattle/squeak.
at 74,000 miles, my Cobalt SS STILL doesn't rattle or thump.
my mom's G6 sedan never rattled and still doesn't rattle/squeak at 16,000 miles (but her CD player sometimes has a mind of it's own).
my brothers' 01 Monte Carlo... 88,000 miles no squeaks/rattles... his 96 Silverado has 155,000 miles and after him pummeling it, ok, that does rattle and squeak in the cold...

you canadians must have super human perceptions... volkswagen and their fine build quality. i've lost count of how many Golfs and Jettas I see in salvage yards because of their swell engines and transmissions. Yeah, their a superior car, alright. A friend of mine junked his 98 Jetta GT after three transaxles... his shed reverse, so he bought another one... the replacement shed reverse. So he had it replaced a third time and that one just ate reverse as well... he had sold it for scrap.

VW= farfrommovin'

Posted by Samurai my mom's G6 sedan never rattled and still doesn't rattle/squeak at 16,000 miles

It will. Oh, it will.

How many door latches has it had replaced?

And VW automatic transaxles are shit. I won't argue that.

But so are the ones in GM minivans, '99-'08 half ton trucks and Cobalt 6 speed manuals.

Posted by bandi And VW automatic transaxles are shit. I won't argue that. But so are the ones in GM minivans, '99-'08 half ton trucks and Cobalt 6 speed manuals.

this wasn't an automatic... this was a 5speed.
also, my friends' 98 Golf GTI VR6 did the same thing, but was still under factory warranty.
Cobalts don't have 6 speed gearboxes... the Supercharged models use a transaxle lifted from the Saab 9-3 Turbo. Biggest problem with the SS/SC gearbox was the fact that it was never meant to be behind a supercharged engine. You and I know that in the world of forced induction, the gearing of a transaxle has to be different. A turbo car will have a deep first gear to get the engine to wind up quick to minimize turbo lag. A supercharged engine has boost just off idle and doesn't need to be wound up hard. The Cobalt box has a mineshaft deep first gear... the boost hits hard, the front end spins, the 18" wheels start to do the dreaded 'basketball' and the transaxle cannot absorb that shock load and shatters. Funny how the cars with the limited slip aren't doing it. Also, a fell SS/SC owner here in town continues to beat his SS, burning the tires and has yet to shatter his transmission. Sadly, I will have to concede that GM could've handled the warranty situation better, especially since they seemed to know that the Saab 5-speed was not up to the task behind that engine.
From what I have gleaned from Cobaltss.net, the transaxle in the Turbo SS is a much better one than the SS/SC had.

where i worked, we had a 03 Chevy Venture. It was a short wheelbase, 3400 V6, automatic. the van was a whore. everyone drove it and I drove it hard... i liked the way the 6 sounded when you were beating the piss out of it. As far as I knew, it never needed a transaxle up until the 100,000 mile mark when it went back to GSA. But one van does not make a trend.

From what Pete said (the master tech where my brother works- he does all the transmission work as well), will GM FWD transaxles, it's not usually the transmission that fails, but the solenoids inside the transaxle. You pop off the side cover and just change them out. Very rarely has he seen a catastrophic failure where the transmission had to be rebuilt or replaced. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's rare... DODGE on the other hand... !!!!!!!

Posted by Samurai Cobalts don't have 6 speed gearboxes... the Supercharged models use a transaxle lifted from the Saab 9-3 Turbo.

You're right. My bad.

From what Pete said (the master tech where my brother works- he does all the transmission work as well), will GM FWD transaxles, it's not usually the transmission that fails, but the solenoids inside the transaxle. You pop off the side cover and just change them out. Very rarely has he seen a catastrophic failure where the transmission had to be rebuilt or replaced. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's rare... DODGE on the other hand... !!!!!!!

We've had issues with the clutch packs on the '05 and up Uplanders/Montanas.

Although Ive also done a LOT of the control solenoids and valve bodies.

Posted by bandi You're right. My bad. We've had issues with the clutch packs on the '05 and up Uplanders/Montanas. Although Ive also done a LOT of the control solenoids and valve bodies.

the preferred swap (and I have never seen this done, ever) is to take a 6 speed manual from the G6 GXP coupe and put it behind both the LSJ and LNF.
i wasn't aware that the G6 was available with a manual gearbox... i thought they were all tap-shift manumatics.

Posted by Samurai DODGE on the other hand... !!!!!!!

Never had a problem with the transmission on the Stratus except that the tranny fluid pan is notorious for having a leak, even right from the factory. Apparently the seals just don't line up quite right and there's always a couple of drops of red MOPAR tranny bleeding onto the ground. Easy enough to just keep it topped off (for most people who have eyes and common sense).

My tranny was even running without fluid for a month because the pan kept leaking through a rainy period and the evidence got washed away before I next popped the hood and filled it. No issues, just sometimes decided it didn't want to shift to any forward gears from reverse.

Posted by velcrozeppelin Never had a problem with the transmission on the Stratus except that the tranny fluid pan is notorious for having a leak, even right from the factory. Apparently the seals just don't line up quite right and there's always a couple of drops of red MOPAR tranny bleeding onto the ground. Easy enough to just keep it topped off (for most people who have eyes and common sense). My tranny was even running without fluid for a month because the pan kept leaking through a rainy period and the evidence got washed away before I next popped the hood and filled it. No issues, just sometimes decided it didn't want to shift to any forward gears from reverse.

man, you are in the minority!

Posted by Samurai man, you are in the minority!

But as far as noises, I should take you guys complaining about rattles, clunks, thunks, twangs, groans, chugs, slaps, etc. on a ride. I've got a cylinder firing just a little late, a wheel bearing (whole hub assembly) on its way out, and it's a 2000 Stratus. I have to have the music *very* loud if I want to hear anything other than said noises.