I'd just like to point out that while an ATV or motorcycle may cover more ground, and have better mileage, they will not get you out of a horde situation (zombies or humans).

What do I mean? You are not going to be plowing over zombies or humans on a ATV or bike. If you are confronted with a horde you may very well have to go right through them.

That being the case, I would go straight for a military H1. Other than that I would try to grab a Suburban, Yukon, Expedition, full size pick-up, 4X4 Jeep, armored van/truck (think Brinks), or any late 70's early 80's sedan (the tank sized sedans).

I know that those vehicles will plow straight through a horde of undead or some armed assholes.

My theory is to escape and evade, I'll stay off on the fringe of the urban sprawl. Hopefully no hoards out there to begin with, so all I need is a walmart and a target that I can hit when supplies get low.

I'll probably be doing only needed traveling, But I want to be able to get far away fast if needed.

The Hummer is great in the city with the hoards of undead, but I would be worried about getting high centered on about a hundred of them, once they've gotten all wedgied up underneath, and the tires are no longer spitting out zombie chunks. They'll just stand around and wait for you to try and escape on foot.

The new zombies are much more street savey, and a whole lot quicker than the old zombies, and with the no breathing thing, they never get tired..........

Posted by jeepdave As far as horses go, I can't ride 50 miles on a broke leg, but I damn sure can drive that far on a flat tire/broken suspension. Plus, I can't fix a horse.

I do agree with you there...but if you're careful, a horse can last you years, same with dogs. Also you can breed more dogs and horses and they're not that hard to feed. Gasoline eventually goes bad, doesn't it? It turns into varnish or shellac unless there's preservatives put into it, right?

I don't see the hay fields stop growing, so horses have enough food to last a few lifetimes and dogs can and will eat what you or I would eat, but the refineries are no longer there and individual stations will most likely be out or have very little in the way of supply because by the time of the fall of man, the delivery trucks will have stopped running a while ago. Think how far you will have to go for a gallon of gas.

I don't think there's any really good answer in all of it, to tell the truth. The dog/horse concept was just an idea for something self sustaining.

I always planned on a Z71 Silverado with a nice big cowcatcher on the front...Rig up some dual tanks and you're good to go.

And if the resources become available, a roll bar in the bed with a machine gun mounted on a swivel on it.

Posted by Shael I do agree with you there...but if you're careful, a horse can last you years, same with dogs. Also you can breed more dogs and horses and they're not that hard to feed. Gasoline eventually goes bad, doesn't it? It turns into varnish or shellac unless there's preservatives put into it, right? I don't see the hay fields stop growing, so horses have enough food to last a few lifetimes and dogs can and will eat what you or I would eat, but the refineries are no longer there and individual stations will most likely be out or have very little in the way of supply because by the time of the fall of man, the delivery trucks will have stopped running a while ago. Think how far you will have to go for a gallon of gas. I don't think there's any really good answer in all of it, to tell the truth. The dog/horse concept was just an idea for something self sustaining.

gas in large storage tanks will keep better than in a motor vehicle tank.
now with a horse, what are you going to do if the horse gets sick? Exactly. Shoot it and have a banquet.
When a car gets sick, throw it to park and go find something else to drive.

come on, when I think of the zombie apocalypse, i don't see myself or other tooling around the landscape on Trigger.

This may be impossible, but shall we decide what would be the best platform to BUILD a Z-day vehicle? I have a few to nominate.

91-96 Jeep XJ/MJ.

Any fullsize van 4wd conversion. Diesel preferred.

Any domestic fullsize 4wd 3/4 ton diesel truck.

VW Beetle, think Baja.

Remember, these are a base platform to build from, but I think these are pretty good starts.

Posted by jeepdave This may be impossible, but shall we decide what would be the best platform to BUILD a Z-day vehicle? I have a few to nominate. 91-96 Jeep XJ/MJ. Any fullsize van 4wd conversion. Diesel preferred. Any domestic fullsize 4wd 3/4 ton diesel truck. VW Beetle, think Baja. Remember, these are a base platform to build from, but I think these are pretty good starts.

Very terrain-dependent. I think the biggest factor is durability, then ease of repair.

Posted by AnAppleSnail Very terrain-dependent. I think the biggest factor is durability, then ease of repair.

I'm assuming city areas being parking lots with big stretches being mostly clear. It needs good clearance and decent range. I like the diesel options due to the fact easy fuel can be just an abandoned Kenworth away. The VW is on there due to easy repair, light weight, decent mpg, and excellent off pavement ability.

Posted by jeepdave VW Beetle, think Baja.

Beetles float, too. You could make it amphibious.

Posted by bandi Beetles float, too.

get the fuck out of here... you're making that up.
even if they did float, how many have the factory seams intact anymore?

edit: after wiki'ing the Beetle, Bandi wasn't kidding... they really would float!

A guy in the 60s made it across the english channel in a Beetle. The modifications? Vaseline on the door seals, and a prop bolted to the crank pulley.



And most Bugs from the south are still remarkably solid. I saw some in florida scrapyards in better shape than the one I drove all summer

Posted by Samurai gas in large storage tanks will keep better than in a motor vehicle tank. now with a horse, what are you going to do if the horse gets sick? Exactly. Shoot it and have a banquet. When a car gets sick, throw it to park and go find something else to drive. come on, when I think of the zombie apocalypse, i don't see myself or other tooling around the landscape on Trigger.

Maybe...but eventually all that metal out there rusts, rubber hoses and tires rot. At least I can eat the horse or dog or whatever, as long as it's meat on hooves/feet/etc.

You gotta plan for the long haul, not just today or tomorrow. Eventually things like cars rust and rot, no matter how well you take care of them. In this situation, eventually there will be no more gasoline, there will be no more spare parts and what the fuck will you do when that happens? Then Trigger will look pretty damn good, won't he?

when you get away from the rustbelt, car hulls last forever.
hoses and belts aren't strictly 'rubber' and parts stores will probably be the last place looted when the center is falling apart.

I think fuel will be available for some time, you might have to ride trigger into an area where a refinery is, use him as a pack mule and load up on fuel for a vehicle.

What if the zombies bite a horse that in turn bites all the horses it comes into contact with.

Soon you'll have tireless zombie riders on tireless zombie horses......FFuck!

There was a T.V. series in the early '70's, it lasted just a short while. But it was based on the survivors of an airliner that crashed on a U.S. weapons testing island. It was kind of like The Hills Have Eyes town, but much larger.

Anyway, these survivors split into two factions, and started having conflicts.

They started building dune buggies out of junk cars that were layin' around.

Wish I could remember the name of that show, I'd love to see if any episodes still survive?

Posted by Shael Maybe...but eventually all that metal out there rusts, rubber hoses and tires rot. At least I can eat the horse or dog or whatever, as long as it's meat on hooves/feet/etc. You gotta plan for the long haul, not just today or tomorrow. Eventually things like cars rust and rot, no matter how well you take care of them. In this situation, eventually there will be no more gasoline, there will be no more spare parts and what the fuck will you do when that happens? Then Trigger will look pretty damn good, won't he?

Till the horse eats the wrong kind of flower or grass and dies.

The name of that TV series was "The New People". Looks like only two episodes were produced.

a Jeep; any Jeep will do. I want the same vehicle that ran over Tojos also to run over zombies

God damn it.

We used to duct tape gooks to our tires so we could drive thru the mine fields on corregidor.

Then we'd stack 'em up and use 'em for bridges to cross the God Damn ravines........Took a hell of a lot of them little fuckers, but there seemed to be a lot just a layin' around........

Hmm, the horse and dog idea is great.

However, it may be good to have a base that would be solid and hidden from zombies and assholes.

I'm thinking along the lines of a nuclear missile silo. Make sure it's free of zombies and assholes, set up supplies and try to keep the various systems running (ie generators, HVAC, etc) and make it self sufficient and then live underground.

Come out years later as some wild eyed lunatic.

Be doing this work while the zombies are eating through the list of people I mentioned earlier.

Just might work.

I fucking love this forum...