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Sounds like someone has some smiting to do.

Posted by tekriter http://www.ctv.ca/...urn-to-air-101215/ Sounds like someone has some smiting to do.

nice to know that christmas cheer doesn't extend to us gay people.
if evangelical christians and muslims had their way, we'd be outright killed.

religion spreads peace and joy? yeah right.

Posted by Samurai nice to know that christmas cheer doesn't extend to us gay people. if evangelical christians and muslims had their way, we'd be outright killed. religion spreads peace and joy? yeah right.

Come on Sam, you know most christians are not like this.

Posted by jeepdave Come on Sam, you know most christians are not like this.

i used to agree with you on that, dave, but now, man, i'm not so sure.
we're one of the last groups that it's ok to hate. you ask most evangelical conservatives who they'd rather be trapped on an island with, gays or muslims, they'd probably say muslims.

Posted by Samurai i used to agree with you on that, dave, but now, man, i'm not so sure. we're one of the last groups that it's ok to hate. you ask most evangelical conservatives who they'd rather be trapped on an island with, gays or muslims, they'd probably say muslims.

Well I for one would choose you over a Muslim any day But really, I don't know all the different sects of christians, but the ones I do know, don't hate man. Really, we don't.

Posted by jeepdave Come on Sam, you know most christians are not like this.

nah they're like this:

Posted by jeepdave I'm down with killing alot of Americans.

I'm not Christ. Don't hold me to that standard. Context would help too.........

Posted by Samurai nice to know that christmas cheer doesn't extend to us gay people. if evangelical christians and muslims had their way, we'd be outright killed. religion spreads peace and joy? yeah right.

Nah, they'd just get you to see the error of your wicked ways and give up that sinful lifestyle you CHOSE.

Posted by jeepdave Come on Sam, you know most christians are not like this.

Actually, he wouldn't know that, and you appear to be dissembling a bit. The truth is MOST christians are a lot like that.

Let's look at this a little closer (I've added some emphasis to help the speed readers):

Many christians read the bible. Seems a little hateful if not mean:


Lev.18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Lev.20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Rom.1:26-27
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.


The Catholic Church Policy on Homosexuality:

Through the Old and New Testament, God has revealed unequivocally that homosexuality is an abomination, interpreted either as a sin or a spiritual or mental sickness. Faced with the presence of gays and lesbians in our midst and their demands for an inclusive society, the churches must respond in a way that accords with their view of Scriptural authority. For the Catholic hierarchy, gays and lesbians must remain chaste; for evangelicals, parents are
assured that there are strategies that will reduce the likelihood that their children will become homosexuals, and should this fate befall them, there is reparative therapy to cure them from their sickness.

1.166 Billion Catholics worldwide (according to the Vatican) represent a lot of christians, (26.2% of us pop)



Southern Baptists' opposition to gays made clear in resolutions: (19.4% of us pop)

Read more: http://www.digital...3580#ixzz18J1fFEZW


"...no annual conference board, agency, committee, commission, or council shall give United Methodist funds to any gay caucus or group, or otherwise use such funds to promote the acceptance of homosexuality." 2004 Methodist General Conference resolution 8% of american x-tians

Assembly of God Position (pentecostal) paper:
It should be noted at the outset that there is absolutely no affirmation of homosexual behavior found anywhere in Scripture. Rather, the consistent sexual ideal is chastity for those outside a monogamous heterosexual marriage and fidelity for those inside such a marriage. There is also abundant evidence that homosexual behavior, along with illicit heterosexual behavior, is immoral and comes under the judgment of God" (1.9% (2.8% of us pop)


Presbyterian Church Divided (2.8% of us pop)

The united church of christ will not dictate an official view to the local churches.


60% of evangelical Christians think that it is wrong, whereas 11% with no religious affiliation are against it. (Kaiser family foundation poll)


Then, of course, there is Westboro Baptist (based on my scriptural study it is the correct theological conclusion):

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

Fortunatley you can PRAY THE GAY AWAY:

http://counterknow...mosexual-remedies/



on the other hand:

Lutheran's ordain gay ministers, (5.2% of americans, Same for episcopalian/anglicans (1.7% of us pop)


Around 71% of americans identify as christians. So around 9% of american x-tians, don't belong to churches that hate or discriminate agaisnt gays.

That's less than a tenth, so I would say that it would be fair to say MOST christians have a strong antipathy towards homosexuals.

Posted by splumer Nah, they'd just get you to see the error of your wicked ways and give up that sinful lifestyle you CHOSE.

i always hate the comment... like who would willingly CHOOSE this shit. I live so deep in a closet, i have conversations with shoes. Try living a lie 24-7 and tell me that is something someone would choose. It's the way I am and I cannot change that. Understand that I am also not one of those flamboyant types of people that fit stereotype... i am who i am and its nice to know that how I am pisses someone off.

it's funny, how could I ever be expected to believe i a god that hates what I am when supposedly it's god that created me? yeah, keep reading that shit. You believe in santa claus too? Cut from the same fantasy weave, kids.

the downer is that the faith thread hates. it hates with smiles, handshakes and sympathetic hypocrisy

just can't pray the gay away...just cant't pray the gay away...



I think it's absurd that not only do people believe that there is a supreme being (without good reason) but that this sky-god actually cares what anybody does when they are naked.

Posted by tekriter I think it's absurd that not only do people believe that there is a supreme being (without good reason) but that this sky-god actually cares what anybody does when they are naked.

01 for the impale!

(I got bored with the D&D-esque "+1" and went for the CoC critical hit rule instead)

Posted by Samurai i always hate the comment... like who would willingly CHOOSE this shit.

You do know I was joking, don't you Sam? (gives butt-grabbing hug)

I suspect the reason that the church back in the bad old days hated homos was because homo couples tend not to produce babies to swell the ranks of the believers.

I've read that a lot of the early religious rules were based on more practical (though not necessarily logical) ideas. Eating fish on Friday during Lent was a way to boost profits for medieval fishmongers as well as preserving stores of meat during the spring, which was often a time of severe privation. Jews & Muslims not eating pigs was because pigs take a lot of water to raise, and water is a precious commodity in the arid Middle East.

01 for the impale! (I got bored with the D&D-esque "+1" and went for the CoC critical hit rule instead)

+1 for the CoC reference! (or a SAN roll, your choice)

Posted by jeepdave I'm not Christ. Don't hold me to that standard. Context would help too.........

That is such a cop out.

As far as faith and bibles go:

Unless you can read Greek or Latin, none of you have ever read the bible. Just a cheep translation/re-edit.

As far as Leviticus goes,I had a conversation with a Jewish friend of mine about that famous line. The brilliant thing about the Jewish faith is that the bible is open to interpretation. As he put it, Lev.18:22 is more a statement of selfishness than of homophobia. Now, I'm anti religion, full on. It rots the brain faster than being forced to watch Jersey Shore, clockwork orange style. But the other side of the fence is that religions exist and put silly ideas in peoples heads. This is reality. My take on it: Learn as much as you can, and show the religious foolishness for what it is. But with ammo from their own armory.

Posted by Samurai i always hate the comment... like who would willingly CHOOSE this shit. I live so deep in a closet, i have conversations with shoes. Try living a lie 24-7 and tell me that is something someone would choose. It's the way I am and I cannot change that. Understand that I am also not one of those flamboyant types of people that fit stereotype... i am who i am and its nice to know that how I am pisses someone off. it's funny, how could I ever be expected to believe i a god that hates what I am when supposedly it's god that created me? yeah, keep reading that shit. You believe in santa claus too? Cut from the same fantasy weave, kids. the downer is that the faith thread hates. it hates with smiles, handshakes and sympathetic hypocrisy

"Homosexuals Are God's Children, Too!"

The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin. There are plenty of other sins the Bible speaks of:

Book of Proverbs

* A proud look.
* A lying tongue.
* Hands that shed innocent blood.
* A heart that devises wicked plots.
* Feet that are swift to run into mischief.
* A deceitful witness that uttereth lies.
* Him that soweth discord among brethren

Other sins mentioned in the bible:
adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings


Read more: http://wiki.answer...gays#ixzz1Akdz4TcP


As a Christian, I for one do not hate gays. I may not agree with them, but I certainly don't hate them for being gay.

Posted by sgbofav As a Christian, I for one do not hate gays. I may not agree with them, but I certainly don't hate them for being gay.

In all fairness, not all Christians hate gays, or even hate the "sin." There's a church in Texas, of all places, that boasts the largest gay congregation in the country. The church we hold our Boy Scout meetings at is also very welcoming of gays. Being located in one of the largest gay communities outside of SF and Provincetown, MA, it's a good idea.

Unfortunately, some vocal Christians (Westboro Baptist, e.g.) have spoiled it for the more tolerant folks.

Posted by splumer In all fairness, not all Christians hate gays, or even hate the "sin." There's a church in Texas, of all places, that boasts the largest gay congregation in the country. The church we hold our Boy Scout meetings at is also very welcoming of gays. Being located in one of the largest gay communities outside of SF and Provincetown, MA, it's a good idea. Unfortunately, some vocal Christians (Westboro Baptist, e.g.) have spoiled it for the more tolerant folks.

I see Fred Phelps as a apostate, and a piss-poor example of someone who claims to know the Bible. The Bible that teaches love & forgiveness (New Testament).

My kids met a drag queen at Church the other day.

Posted by dirt That is such a cop out. As far as faith and bibles go:

What he is saying is that we are people, and we are flawed. None of us is perfect like Jesus. It is definitely not a cop-out, only an admission of being a sinner, and imperfect.

Posted by sgbofav I see Fred Phelps as a apostate, and a piss-poor example of someone who claims to know the Bible. The Bible that teaches love & forgiveness (New Testament). My kids met a drag queen at Church the other day.

Uh, have you read the bible? Where exactly does it teach love and forgiveness?

I guarantee that fred phelps knows the bible better than you. His version is theologically correct. Your interpretation relies on simply ignoring the parts you don't like and accepting the ones you do.


Jesus clearly supported the OT. Why don't you?

Jesus quoted from 24 different Old Testament books.

Jesus, like all the Jews of the first century, divided the Old Testament into three "collections": the law, the prophets, the psalms.

The Law (Torah) - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy

The Prophets (Neviim) - Joshua, Judges, 1 & 2 Samuel (one volume), 1 & 2 Kings (one volume), Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, the 12 Minor Prophets (one volume)

The Psalms (Kethubim) - Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Ruth, Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentations, Esther, Daniel, Ezra and Nehemiah (one volume), 1 & 2 Chronicles (one volume)


Jesus said:

"These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." (Luke 24:44)

Matthew 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.


Luke 4:3-4 The devil said to him, “If you are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread.” Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man does not live on bread alone.’”:

And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live. Deuteronomy 8: 2-3

Posted by tekriter Uh, have you read the bible? Where exactly does it teach love and forgiveness?

The Sermon on the Mount?