Posted by Mr_Fiend Um, He did, in the flesh, and people STILL didnt believe him... It wouldnt be any different now. Actually it would, he would be mocked and killed even quicker.

Posted by Mr_Fiend It's real simple for me. The evidence of God is in the complexities of life that I see everyday. My consciousness, perception of reality, love and deepest emotions.... My belief in God stems from my perception of life. Life and the existence of it, IS God. Meaning, who He is, is described in the world He created.

I 100% agree with this. The majesty and sublime beauty of existence is some potent shit. The complexity of human relationships and potential of human endeavor boggle the mind, and still all of that is nothing compared to the mysteries of the way the universe apparently works, from subatomic particles that can react to events before the event even happens to observations that the past moves away from us in both time and space.

In fact, I think that string theory and its successors may just provide evidence enough to wrap up the whole god question, revealing it to be no more than the clockworks of existence, compressed into multiple dimensions.

Posted by Mr_Fiend ...are from a created source, not from some accident of random particles.

I still don't see any reason to assume that some entity created it. The mere existence of the interworking aspects of things is god enough for me. It seems so egocentrically simplistic to feel the need to attribute a creator.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Edit* This is not to be twisted like the pagans did and worship the planet and trees and what not.

Yeah, That shit is stupid.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Edit* This is not to be twisted like the pagans did and worship the planet and trees and what not.

The problem I have with this is that pagans either pre-dated the Abrahamic religions or existed independent of them, so they weren't "twisting" anything. But also, it makes good sense to venerate nature, since nature is where life comes from. (YMMV)

You're getting at the heart of the statement and side skirting what it's saying at the same time.

How so?

Posted by splumer The problem I have with this is that pagans either pre-dated the Abrahamic religions or existed independent of them, so they weren't "twisting" anything. But also, it makes good sense to venerate nature, since nature is where life comes from. (YMMV)

Nature facilitates and sustains life, nature itself had to come from something. We are to take care of nature, but not worship it. I want to worship the source.

Of course pagans pre-dated all religions. Pagans and the desire to worship things and objects has been around since the fall of man. God and peoples knowledge of His existence has always been here.

Genesis describes Adam walking with God as if he were a physical person. Things were a lot different before sin was let into the world.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Nature facilitates and sustains life, nature itself had to come from something. We are to take care of nature, but not worship it. I want to worship the source. Of course pagans pre-dated all religions. Pagans and the desire to worship things and objects has been around since the fall of man. God and peoples knowledge of His existence has always been here. Genesis describes Adam walking with God as if he were a physical person. Things were a lot different before sin was let into the world.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Posted by MutantMandias LOLOLOLOLOLOL

What exactly is so funny? Do you just like to laugh at people's beliefs?

Posted by HarvestmanMan What exactly is so funny? Do you just like to laugh at people's beliefs?

No, I just can't help it. It's probably more of a nervous reaction out of desperation and sadness that someone believes in things like Adam and Eve or magic candles.

Posted by HarvestmanMan What exactly is so funny? Do you just like to laugh at people's beliefs?

From what I have learned about MM, he doesn't have a problem with people who have beliefs that are reasonable. At first he said my beliefs were laughable. Then after we talked I think I made my views fairly clear, and he hasn't a said a negative thing about it sense.

Perhaps if some people were more critical of their own beliefs and made more rational and sound statements, he wouldn't hurt your feelings so much.

Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby Perhaps if some people were more critical of their own beliefs and made more rational and sound statements, he wouldn't hurt your feelings so much.

Yes, lets all try to please each other... That wont happen. I dont know about other people here, but my feelings have not been hurt, I expect every form of slander and mockery that is thrown at me. Wont stop me! God loves you! And so do I, though to a lesser extent...

Please the MutantMandias and he will bless you with his golden anus. (I'm not mocking you MM, just making a point to monkey here).

Posted by Mr_Fiend Please the MutantMandias and he will bless you with his golden anus. (I'm not mocking you MM, just making a point to monkey here).

In this context, the proper honorific is The Mandias.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Yes, lets all try to please each other... That wont happen. I dont know about other people here, but my feelings have not been hurt, I expect every form of slander and mockery that is thrown at me. Wont stop me! God loves you! And so do I, though to a lesser extent... Please the MutantMandias and he will bless you with his golden anus. (I'm not mocking you MM, just making a point to monkey here).

I was just pointing what you should do since you are so bothered by what he says to you.

Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby I was just pointing what you should do since you are so bothered by what he says to you.

I appreciate the concern, but I wont lose sleep over it. I'd rather stay consistent.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Nature facilitates and sustains life, nature itself had to come from something. We are to take care of nature, but not worship it. I want to worship the source. Of course pagans pre-dated all religions. Pagans and the desire to worship things and objects has been around since the fall of man. God and peoples knowledge of His existence has always been here. Genesis describes Adam walking with God as if he were a physical person. Things were a lot different before sin was let into the world.

it's hard not to read this and start laughing hysterically while wondering if a)you're under the care of a physician or b)you're a loon.

Posted by Samurai it's hard not to read this and start laughing hysterically while wondering if a)you're under the care of a physician or b)you're a loon.

Ya know, I've never been called a loon before. Been called insane more times than I can count, though interestingly enough, not for the above reason.

I'd say laugh at the bible instead, since that's where I got that information, but you've already done that.

It irritates me when people attribute human traits to "god". It would defeat the purpose of it being a god to begin with.

I'm more of an apathiest than anything. Does god exist? I don't know and I don't particularly care much.

If I had to take a guess, this would be my standpoint:

So basically people believe that whatever godform is more or less the ultimate creator, right? And some people, and physicists, believe that the universe is so profoundly perfect that it had to have been created, or at least driven to creation. If the universe did in fact create itself, it would have had to also create the parameters for it to exist and sustain itself - thus the perfection. So if God is the creator of ultimate perfection, and the universe can do that on it's own, then the universe is God.

(quoted from previous thread)

So basically, "god" is everything. Christians like to say god exists within us all right? There you go. It isn't some guy sitting on a cloud directing orders. It is an all encompassing... energy(?) of sorts consisting of the macrocosm and microcosm.



I guess.

Posted by Oryx So basically, "god" is everything. Christians like to say god exists within us all right? There you go. It isn't some guy sitting on a cloud directing orders.

I think you're headed in the right direction. Though, those thoughts can easily fall into pagan worship of stars and elements because they are "God".

God specifically said to numerous people not to worship false idols. The israelites did this while Moses was acquiring the 10 commandments (which ironically say not to worship idols or false gods).


Christians say "God exists in them" because they let Him in, His spirit, the Holly Spirit if you want to get technical. God isnt in you if you havent let Him in. We have a free will...

I like to say it as, evidence of God is all around us. Reality and perception are based off of His reality, though now tainted and twisted by the absence of God, satan

Posted by Mr_Fiend I think you're headed in the right direction. Though, those thoughts can easily fall into pagan worship of stars and elements because they are "God".

Just curious, what makes you the authority on who's religion is "right"? From where I'm standing, you have your beliefs that you employ. Just like everyone else. But all you can do is believe it, you cant prove them 100% right any more than you can prove the pagans are 100% wrong.

Posted by Mr_Fiend God specifically said to numerous people not to worship false idols. The israelites did this while Moses was acquiring the 10 commandments (which ironically say not to worship idols or false gods).

Maybe I am not grasping what you are saying here, but it seems to me that you are talking smack about the Jews being something they are/were not. Being a Jew, I take issue with this. So tread lightly when you respond to this.

Posted by maypost Just curious, what makes you the authority on who's religion is "right"?

I dont have any authority. Dont want what I got, dont listen to me, simple.

Again, I'm repeating the Word of God, the God of Abraham.

Posted by maypost Maybe I am not grasping what you are saying here, but it seems to me that you are talking smack about the Jews being something they are/were not. Being a Jew, I take issue with this. So tread lightly when you respond to this.

Um, if you dont want, or fear people attacking your beliefs or who you are, you should probably leave before you get pissed off. But I shouldnt have to tell you that.

I dont have anything bad to say about the Jews, they're Gods "chosen people". I was using that story as an ironic example.

Posted by Mr_Fiend I dont have any authority. Dont want what I got, dont listen to me, simple. Again, I'm repeating the Word of God, the God of Abraham. Um, if you dont want, or fear people attacking your beliefs or who you are, you should probably leave before you get pissed off. But I shouldnt have to tell you that. I dont have anything bad to say about the Jews, they're Gods "chosen people". I was using that story as an ironic example.

I'm convinced.

You are just trollin' I no longer believe you even believe what you are putting here... just looking to get a raise out of people.

That is my belief

Posted by maypost You are just trollin' I no longer believe you even believe what you are putting here... just looking to get a raise out of people.

Then don't ever comment on my posts ever again. Because if you do, I will know you are doing it because you are biased against me and what I believe.

Just ignore me, you obviously dont like me.