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 compaq12986
Location: Tupper Lake, N.Y., 12986
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 80 on 10/15/2010 1:05 AM >
|  | | | Im done arguing with idiots. No hobby is worth having to risk killing someone over. plain and simple...when it comes to the point that you may have to kill someone, its just not worth it anymore.
The Misandry around these parts is redonkulous. Sorry I was born with male anatomy.
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Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
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<Reply # 81 on 10/15/2010 1:10 AM >
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So basically you are willing to risk your own life and friend's lives going into derelict buildings but value the life of a scumbag over your own?
Therrin's not looking to kill someone but is prepared to do so.
Therrin risks his life for his own reasons and carries prepared to defend himself in the event he should have to.
I want you to think of how many police officers out there do the same things except it's "their duty." Because it's part of their job and their job is inherently dangerous. So we shouldn't have cops or let cops carry guns because it takes them into situations with the power to take lives.
[last edit 10/15/2010 1:11 AM by \/adder - edited 1 times]
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
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AnAppleSnail
Location: Charlotte, NC
Gender: Male
ALL the flashlights!
| | | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 82 on 10/15/2010 1:19 AM >
| | | | Since this is his thread, I'm going to vouch for Ashes in the Snow's gun carrying. I explore with him pretty regularly and I only saw his gun on an exploring trip when he was leaving it (and checking, as you should, that it didn't have bullets loaded).
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compaq12986
Location: Tupper Lake, N.Y., 12986
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 83 on 10/15/2010 1:21 AM >
| | | | Posted by TheVicariousVadder
So basically you are willing to risk your own life and friend's lives going into derelict buildings but value the life of a scumbag over your own?
Therrin's not looking to kill someone but is prepared to do so.
Therrin risks his life for his own reasons and carries prepared to defend himself in the event he should have to.
I want you to think of how many police officers out there do the same things except it's "their duty." Because it's part of their job and their job is inherently dangerous. So we shouldn't have cops or let cops carry guns because it takes them into situations with the power to take lives.
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What im saying is im fine with risking my life, because its my life and i know the risks. When it comes to the point that i might have to kill someone for situation that i put myself in knowing that it was a risk, would be stupid.
To simplifiy the whole police officer thing, we give them the right as a society to carry a gun to protect us all. they are providing a service which makes this country safer than it would be without police officers. I know supporting leo's is unpopular in this thing of ours, but they are a necessary evil, needed to keep the country running safely. i dont agree with how some behave or act, but im not going to pigeon hold them for the acts of a few rotten apples out of the bunch.
The constitution on the other hand doesnt give us the right to put ourselves into situations which are more likely that we would need to take another human life for the sake of thrills.
The Misandry around these parts is redonkulous. Sorry I was born with male anatomy.
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compaq12986
Location: Tupper Lake, N.Y., 12986
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 84 on 10/15/2010 1:24 AM >
| | | | Posted by AnAppleSnail
Since this is his thread, I'm going to vouch for Ashes in the Snow's gun carrying. I explore with him pretty regularly and I only saw his gun on an exploring trip when he was leaving it (and checking, as you should, that it didn't have bullets loaded).
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that is perfectly fine. thats the responsible thing to do. But going it alone into known high drug areas with a loaded gun isnt. it creates all kinds of situations that could easily be avoided and just seem unnessary
The Misandry around these parts is redonkulous. Sorry I was born with male anatomy.
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aurelie
 
Location: pacific northwest
Gender: Female
high tech:: low life.
| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 85 on 10/15/2010 1:33 AM >
| | | | Posted by compaq12986
The constitution on the other hand doesnt give us the right to put ourselves into situations which are more likely that we would need to take another human life for the sake of thrills.
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I'm sorry, but I don't anyone is implying that in any way whatsoever. If it came down to having to shoot another person, I'm sure it would be a strictly life or death situation. The gun would not be a hindrance in that case, it would merely be a method of self preservation.
reckless thoughts abide; anachronistic and impulsive.
loosely jacketed against the cold and ten thousand worlds for the choosing. |
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\/adder
Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 86 on 10/15/2010 1:35 AM >
| | | | Posted by compaq12986
What im saying is im fine with risking my life, because its my life and i know the risks. When it comes to the point that i might have to kill someone for situation that i put myself in knowing that it was a risk, would be stupid.
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so risking your life without harming anyone else is ok but risking that you may have to kill someone to protect yourself is not.
But why do police officers carry guns and to go into bad areas?
Because they love what they do. Same thing. job vs hobby is not that different.
and "authorization on behalf society" is not an argument someone who acts against the interests of society by going into derelict buildings can use without being a hypocrite.
If you love what you do and let the threat of a few bad apples stop you from doing what you love...welcome to a life of fear.
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
escensi omnis... |
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compaq12986
Location: Tupper Lake, N.Y., 12986
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 87 on 10/15/2010 1:49 AM >
| | | | Posted by TheVicariousVadder
so risking your life without harming anyone else is ok but risking that you may have to kill someone to protect yourself is not.
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BINGO...why kill someone becuase you put yourself in a situation were you knew it was a strong enough possibility that you brought a gun. No hobby is worth that.
The Misandry around these parts is redonkulous. Sorry I was born with male anatomy.
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aurelie
Location: pacific northwest
Gender: Female
high tech:: low life.
| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 88 on 10/15/2010 1:55 AM >
| | | | Posted by compaq12986
BINGO...why kill someone becuase you put yourself in a situation were you knew it was a strong enough possibility that you brought a gun. No hobby is worth that.
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People have different priorities. There are many situations that heighten the risk of dying. Many of us do willingly place ourselves in them, for various reasons. So, if you're in such a situation, and the risk originates from a person, it would come down to either him or you. Either way, a tragic loss of a human life. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be a terrible thing, just that if one has chosen to engage in the risky behavior- which many of us do- they also have the choice to defend their life.
reckless thoughts abide; anachronistic and impulsive.
loosely jacketed against the cold and ten thousand worlds for the choosing. |
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Therrin
 
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
Location: North of Chicago, IL
Gender: Male
*Therrin puts on the penguin-suit
| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 89 on 10/15/2010 4:45 PM >
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There's always someone out there who, despite their lack of knowledge or understanding, will insist on IMPOSING their crappy views on you.
Why is it that whenever you can back up your point with real data, hard facts, and real-life situation; people who can't compete will result to attacking you from every other direction except using any shred of logic which can be backed up?
And will then continue to misquote and misrepresent your words to mean whatever it is that they want it to mean, through pure juxtaposition?
Can ANYONE explain this?
[last edit 10/15/2010 5:00 PM by Therrin - edited 1 times]
Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =) |
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fiftyone_eggs
Location: jerzey
Gender: Male
| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 90 on 10/15/2010 7:03 PM >
| | | | Posted by Therrin
There's always someone out there who, despite their lack of knowledge or understanding, will insist on IMPOSING their crappy views on you.
Why is it that whenever you can back up your point with real data, hard facts, and real-life situation; people who can't compete will result to attacking you from every other direction except using any shred of logic which can be backed up?
And will then continue to misquote and misrepresent your words to mean whatever it is that they want it to mean, through pure juxtaposition?
Can ANYONE explain this?
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yeah. i had that same shit happen to me by some brain-dead asshole on this thread:
http://www.uer.ca/...d=84244&currpage=1
fucker got my thread locked.
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Therrin
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
Location: North of Chicago, IL
Gender: Male
*Therrin puts on the penguin-suit
| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 91 on 10/15/2010 7:28 PM >
| | | | HAH! its another one!
Your thread was a springboard for Juke's rhetoric. When asked pointed questions you had no response, no opinion. You wanted to present the information, but you had nothing to say about it. Mindless. In the end, her action got exactly nowhere, because the grounds for it didn't hold weight.
But examine yourself, what have you added to this thread except for trolling a redirect and asking for pity.
Have you weighed in on the issue here? no
Have you given an opinon or drawn any conclusions? no
Have you said anything about your "Exploration Kit"? no
Nice job sir. Nice job.
Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =) |
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fiftyone_eggs
Location: jerzey
Gender: Male
| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 92 on 10/15/2010 7:37 PM >
| | | | not true. my post was directly related to the one posted above mine.
and it dealt quite directly with your statement. allow me to rephrase: if you always seem to have problems dealing with others on the interwebz, perhaps it's because it's you who is the asshole.
just sayin.
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Therrin
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
Location: North of Chicago, IL
Gender: Male
*Therrin puts on the penguin-suit
| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 93 on 10/15/2010 7:50 PM >
| | | | Funny you mention it, when out of an entire thread, I have an argument with a single person and noone agrees with him or is backing him up.
You haven't even backed up the issue, only that I'm disagreeing with him, because he operates on the same level that you do. Complete lack of knowledge of the subject and the inability to argue effectively.
you STILL have failed to add anything of value to this thread.
You're 0 for 2 so far, keep trolling!
**EDIT**
Ahh sorry I just realized you called me an asshole. Yes! I am definitely an asshole. No doubt of that. The problem occurs when someone's an asshole and doesn't realize it.
I'm an asshole because I think that if you post something, you should have an opinion on it, or you should have some basis or logical sequence to an argument, which can hold up under scrutiny; instead of resorting to nitpicking tactics of bandying someone's words to either take them out of context, or when you understand the context and but you purposely harangue about the specific wording, or you are arguing based upon pure fiction or lack of information, and you continue to do so even when what you're saying makes no sense.
We all sling shit at eachother (those of us who're assholes), but when you do it purely because you have no other argument, or you can't enforce what you were saying... then it's just crap.
I think that it's typical of people who make blanket statements, of what should be for ALL people, or what something is or what it should be 100% of the time... that they're already in the process of digging their own grave.
I mean, think about it, who really says that a "rifle" is better than a "pistol" in all circumstances when it comes to animals/humans in all circumstances? Taking absolutely no value for the caliber of the weapon, the distance, the confines of the space, the type of weapon, etc.
It's just absurd. You could equally be comparing a single shot .50BMG rifle to a .22 handgun, or a .22 rifle to a .45 cal handgun, whether you be in open space, or in a house, or on the move. No consideration for carrying weight, or any other thing that should be factored.
No, only that a "rifle" is better than a "pistol" for "animals".
He couldn't back it up, cuz he doesn't know shit about what he's talking about... so then he resorts to pulling what I've said out of context and attacking that instead.
Utter...complete...crap.
[last edit 10/15/2010 8:33 PM by Therrin - edited 2 times]
Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =) |
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compaq12986
Location: Tupper Lake, N.Y., 12986
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 94 on 10/15/2010 8:51 PM >
| | | | Posted by Therrin
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good job pikeing this off of the somethingawful.com forums.
The Misandry around these parts is redonkulous. Sorry I was born with male anatomy.
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fiftyone_eggs
Location: jerzey
Gender: Male
| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 95 on 10/15/2010 9:00 PM >
| | | | it was you, therrin, who asked if somebody can explain why you have such trouble with people on the internet. the answer i provided, backed by this evidence, is that it's because you're an asshole. and you agree. so i answered your question quite directly, provided evidence to back my statement, and now i'm through. i don't like to argue with assholes. too boring. if you doubt that, try reading 1/100th of the crap you spout. the end.
[last edit 10/15/2010 9:03 PM by fiftyone_eggs - edited 1 times]
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Therrin
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
Location: North of Chicago, IL
Gender: Male
*Therrin puts on the penguin-suit
| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 96 on 10/15/2010 9:21 PM >
| | | | Posted by compaq12986
good job pikeing this off of the somethingawful.com forums.
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Actually it was fatpita.net, but nice try!
Fiftyone_eggs, my answering of something I already know isn't an answer to my QUESTIONS. I've asked that any of the things which Compaq has said here be backed up. They have not been. You for some reason find it necessary to draw the Pennhurst debate over to this thread. Your thread went up the day after the Pennhurst debate thread was locked, they were connected topics. This topic, and that, are completely separate.
You're now 0/3. Seeing as how this thread isn't about Pennhurst; and he has neither said anything about guns while urbexing nor his exploration kit.
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Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =) |
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metawaffle
 
King of Puns
Location: Brisbane!
Gender: Male
Purveyor of Fine Lampshades
| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 97 on 10/15/2010 9:54 PM >
| | | | Occasionally I think about locking this thread, but... nah, let them keep at it!
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fiftyone_eggs
Location: jerzey
Gender: Male
| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 98 on 10/16/2010 1:38 AM >
| | | | now that i've satisfactorily answered your question regarding why you don't play well with others (your welcome), i'll turn this thread back to its original topic.
some people are really mostly into the whole gear aspect of this hobby. geek out over the kinds of straps and guns they carry around. whatever. my UE bag does not contain enough useless crap for you to get wet over therrin.
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Livingstone
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 99 on 10/16/2010 3:04 AM >
| | | | It seems to me that compaq has a valid opinion. He doesn't want to risk shooting someone for a EU thrill, fair enough, I understand that. That's what the guy thinks, what more validation is needed. I'll add I'm not against responsible carry. Depending upon my tolerance for stuff, there may be a .45 on my belt this weekend for some solo wilderness exploring. Why? last time I was in the proposed area I was almost run over by two moose as they stumbled out of the bush onto the "trail," saw three more along with a black bear before the day was over. Do I think a .45 would stop a moose or bear? No, I'm counting on the noise of a shot fired into the ground a safe distance away to dissuade further advances.
Black Bear in wild areas with little exposure to humans rarely stick around after spotting one of us. At least the 4 run-ins I've had,(two of them a mama and cubs) that's been the case.
Wouldn't carry while trespassing though, not worth it for me, regardless of threat.
There is of course the spirit of tradition. What historical explorer wasn't
packing? Then again they wore pith helmets too.
That said, typical carry:
5 watt led light
mini-mag led back-up
Usually 2 camera bodies, film/digi, share lenses.
Extra batts for everything, film
Manfrotto tpod
Zillatool
Respirator, depending on locale
1L water
gloves
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