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UER Forum > Archived UE Tutorials, Lessons, and Useful Info > My Urban Exploration Kit (Viewed 10842 times)
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Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 100 on 10/16/2010 4:28 AM >
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Posted by fiftyone_eggs
now that i've satisfactorily answered your question regarding why you don't play well with others (your welcome), i'll turn this thread back to its original topic.

some people are really mostly into the whole gear aspect of this hobby. geek out over the kinds of straps and guns they carry around. whatever. my UE bag does not contain enough useless crap for you to get wet over therrin.


You realize in two posts you pretty much just repeated yourself over and over, still without satisfactorily answering the question at all, as I stated in the last post? All of my salient points in this entire thread with Compaq have not been met with any kind of intelligent answer, which follows to prove that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

I'm pretty sure we weren't "geeking out" discussing what "straps" we carry either. I've already mentioned several times that I only carry to specific places, not every place that I UE. You continue to misrepresent what's been said, and take things out of context.
0/5 buddy, 0/5.
you are so completely ignorant that it's almost impossible to imagine. Troll away!
and now i'm through. i don't like to argue with assholes. too boring. if you doubt that, try reading 1/100th of the crap you spout. the end.

Oh but yet you've continued already, asshole to asshole!
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Livingstone, that's cool that you do wilderness UE as well. I think alot of people don't realize that often "wilderness" UE can be done without actually tresspassing, as much of the land is BLM. What types of wilderness locations do you like to explore?

Compaq's argument was that if we think we have the possibility of ending up in a situation where someone might harm US, and as a result we'd opt to use force to protect ourselves, that that is completely unacceptable for a UE situation, for anyone. As though we can predict the future every time we go out and know that we'll be coming across harm's way and do it anyway.
I can understand that we shouldnt KNOWINGLY put ourselves or others in harms way, but I'll never agree with someone's argument when it's rigged to protect the scumbag and villify the innocent who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, just because they decided not to become a victim.

Your kit sounds pretty standard, good setup.

What's a zillatool? What kind of cameras are your film/digi's?

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Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 101 on 10/16/2010 5:28 AM >
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the zilla tool similar to leatherman's skeletool:

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and a .45 with FMJ rounds ought to be enough for a black bear if you can get your ass up a tree or if the bear is chasing your buddy and not coming straight for you.

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Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 102 on 10/21/2010 12:06 PM >
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After trudging through almost every post in this thread, and now, having finally finished reading this madness. I must comment.

I am so thankful Livingstone came along when he did. I think I agree most with him, in relation to the "to carry, or not to carry" debate.

I value human life. Even the so-called "scumbags". And I would not use lethal force unless I felt it was absolutely my last safe option. If I could run away, I think I would do so. And I understand not wanting, to go into a "high crime/drug area" argument.. Because honestly, if I KNOW 100%, that I am going to be shot at, in a building full of drug addicts, then I am not going to explore there period. I think that is all compaq12986 was trying to say. That UE isn't worth a human life. And the thrill of mine exploration, isn't worth having, if you know you will be confronted, and have to kill someone.

(takes a breath). THAT being said. Compaq. Like I just said above. I value human life. I do not have the slightest intention of killing anyone. For hopefully any reason. But if I feel like (and I would love to do this sometime), exploring, say, a massive rural abandoned sanatorium, and I know there happens to be a drug dealing, violent gang living in a town 20 miles away.... Then I'm going to go there, very confident that most likely we won't have any gang related troubles. (Because serious, most gang members don't just hang out in abandoned buildings in rural areas anyways).

BUT! (The crux of this whole argument), is IF. "IF". Although I think it is VERY, VERY unlikely. And I am not SEEKING out the trouble.... IF, there HAPPENS to be a gang member chilling out, in said building, and I am armed, hopefully I will not stand by, and watch him violently assault/rape/murder myself, or anyone who happens to be with me.



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Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 103 on 10/21/2010 1:51 PM >
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Posted by compaq12986
After reading every response, I'm going to weigh in with my opinion of the gun issue. Let me first start off by saying I love guns and think they have their use's and proper places. What i believe though is that a PISTOL has no place in UE. If you truely carry a pistol for protection purpose's only in the wilderness, why not bring a rifle or something of that sort, thats actually ment for killing animals. I think you brought up the fact you own a pistol for the shock value, pure and simple. Ive lived in city's a good chunk of my life and hobo's dont generally carry firearms. They pawned anything worth of value a long time ago. Homeless people arent really what you think they are dude. 99 percent of them just want to be left the fuck alone. The only reason you'd ever need one is if you ran into a drug den or lab. In which case your pistol isnt going to outgun what they got. All your going to do carrying a pistol around is accidently shoot someone.


You obviously are uneducated on the subject, and seeing you are from NY, I'm not surprised. Nothing of what you said makes any sense, and don't you dare presume to know me or my capabilities with anything.

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Funny... I've taken a pistol on dozens of mining excursions and I've never once accidentally shot someone. That sounds more like a statement coming from someone who is incompetent at carrying a firearm properly, or is purely uninformed. Your statement of "What i believe though is that a PISTOL has no place in UE.", is what we colloquially call a "blanket statement", and it also shows lack of a drawn-out thought process.
Just because in the places that you UE it would be unecessary, does not mean that for 100% of all locations that one might UE, it would also be so.

Granted, if I'm going draining, or a few miles down the road to the power station, it would be totally needless and a really bad idea all together.

But if I'm taking several thousand dollars worth of equipment and possibly also explorer friends who are female to a mining area in a secluded location 50 miles out in the desert, having no clue whether I'll come across some maniac, or drunk/drugged people with firearms, or people cooking meth in a mineshaft, or any other potentially dangerous situation... you can damn well bet that I won't be doing it just hoping that everyone leaves me alone if I leave them alone.

When I was exploring shafts in Arizona I had been warned about illegals and druggies storing and cooking drugs in the shafts in the area I was in. That isn't even uncommon in Ca.
We had been invited to assist in a body recovery in the mines out here several months ago. If you follow that thought process out far enough, it means that you could conceivably show up at a mine where someone else is intending to dump a body. OF SOMEONE THEY MURDERED.

Might I also point out, part of your post doesn't exactly jive with the rest of your post. You say that PISTOLS have no place in UE, and insist that PISTOLS do not give someone the capability of protecting one's self. Then mention that a rifle would be far better.
While personally I'd prefer my shotgun over a rifle in that situation, I'm wondering if you're suggesting that a RIFLE/SHOTGUN *does* have a place in UE?

To me, a pistol is something I can carry which isn't overly heavy, isn't cumbersome to carry, doesn't stick out like a sore thumb, and affords me a level of protection which I find to be adequate for the situations I might encounter.

While there's a good chance that I could be "out gunned" by only having a pistol, I'd rather have one, than not have anything at all. I'm perfectly satisfied with my competency of using a pistol. But I can see how folks who DONT shoot on a biweekly basis, DONT practice combat shooting scenarios, or who only go plinking with bullseye targets at the range would feel incompetent with their own skills of defending themselves with such a weapon.

I have an AZ CCW, which allows me to carry concealed in...I think 28 states or so.

Reading back over my post here, I feel satisfied that I have countered the topic in a well-thought-out manner; that I've stated how it is for ME, as well as my reasons for when I would take one, and when I would not. My actions are my own. I do not require that anyone else carries one, and I don't think it's my place to say 100% what other people should or shouldn't do. Except that most people will take precautions they find necessary to protect themselves, given the tools and training they have. Those who have no tools, or are incompetent with what they have, I agree, should not be carrying them.

For all the people who said "I've never been in a situation where I've needed one", Yeah, me neither. It not having happened doesn't mean I won't prepare for the possibility.
That argument is similar to refusing to wear a seatbelt because you've never been in a car accident. Or not having fire insurance for your house because your house has never caught fire before. It's something you do as a means of preparation against the unknown, especially when you have background info which gives you a higher likelihood of something happening in an area.


**EDIT**


I've seen his skills first hand...and Ima have to call BS on this.

Not only did I have to hook up and light his trail stove for him because he was carrying around a stove he didn't know how to use; but he also had me take it apart when he was done, because he wasn't paying attention when I put it together. He basically threw a fit to get me to do it, saying he didn't want to get white gas on his hands.

Having knives and an airsoft gun don't compare on any remote level to owning firearms and being competent at carrying and shooting them.


Thank you Therrin, I couldn't have said it better.

Posted by compaq12986
Had you read my reply, instead of skimming over it, you would have seen that i had said rifles/shotguns are more adapted to defending one self with against animals. Now how is having a rifle or any fire arm out of place at all in the wilderness? THat is why you said you needed one am i not correct?

It just sounds like your hoping for the day you can take another human beings life. If you know they're meth labs and it's a frequent place for people to drop bodies, why risk it? in theory yes you should be able to go were ever you want to, but to tempt fate by almost gaurenteeing a confrontation some were down the line is just ridiculous. You come across as some one who uses UE as thinly vieled excuse to eventualy commit justified homocide. All i know is id never explore with anyone like you dude, you sound like a wako. I bet you belong to some survivalist groups too.

p.s. illegals? serously? they have no interest in you they just want to get were theyre going, if you dont try no retard stuff like trying a citizens arrest on them they have no reason to harm you. most likely they'll do theyre best to avoid you period.


Wow, once again, your blatant ignorance shines in your posting. People carry in order to defend their, or someone elses, lives. It's also obvious that you are flat out scared. Which explains a lot about your stupid rants.

Posted by AnAppleSnail
Since this is his thread, I'm going to vouch for Ashes in the Snow's gun carrying. I explore with him pretty regularly and I only saw his gun on an exploring trip when he was leaving it (and checking, as you should, that it didn't have bullets loaded).


Thanks buddy

In the end my story comes down to this:

I have owned and used firearms since I was about 11 years old. I was brought up with them, and when old enough began taking advanced courses with them. In college, after I turned 21, I bought my first pistol for protection purposes. I have taken multiple courses and trained with this pistol in how to properly shoot/disassemble/and clean it. I have also trained with multiple people on how to defend myself by use of conceal carry with my pistol. I can hit a 16 oz water bottle @ 100 yards with the thing, and I think that my 18 rds that it carries offers me PLENTY of protection if I came across an animal, or violent person within 20 yards. If nothing else, I'll be able to make sure my friends have a damn good head start on their escape, and also draw some attention to us at the same time to get help if needed.

Most people that carry haven't been in a situation where they need to use their firearm for protection, and hopefully never will. Well I have, and it was the scariest shit I've ever been through in my life. I had a knife pulled on me while I was in my car, but luckily I saw the fucker coming and I had my pistol ready, when he was about 2 feet from me (Way too fucking close) I drew my pistol and told him to leave. In the end, he retreated, and I didn't have to shoot anyone. That is the purpose of my firearm. I'm sure he will think twice about pulling a knife on someone again.

SO, compaq, don't you dare to presume to know anything about me again, and don't accuse me of trying to flash my gun for shock and awe, or trying to go out looking to kill someone. You are an ignorant, and uneducated little prick that needs to grow the fuck up.



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Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 104 on 10/21/2010 2:33 PM >
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That seemed like a pretty angry rant from a gun nut.

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<Reply # 105 on 10/21/2010 3:24 PM >
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if you carry a gun while trespassing on private property the odds are far greater it will be a means to cellmate bitchdom rather than heroic self defense.

'urban exploring' typically involves trespassing on somebody's private property. yes. the vast majority of properties that seem 'abandoned' are indeed owned by somebody somewhere and you are technically not allowed to be there. i've been on this forum long enough to see people complain about getting charged with B&E when it should have been trespassing. throw a firearm into that mix: prison.

wilderness hiking, spelunking, organized search and rescue etc, all fall into another category and probably belong in another forum somewhere where nobody will argue with you for carrying a gun.

i've been doing this shit for decades - alone. i've come across human and animal inhabitants of all kinds. never once have i thought to myself 'i wish i had a gun'.

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Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 106 on 10/21/2010 4:14 PM >
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Posted by compaq12986
That seemed like a pretty angry rant from a gun nut.


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at this point further discussion is a waste


now back to teh UE kits.

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<Reply # 107 on 10/21/2010 5:05 PM >
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Usually I travel pretty light and only bring this stuff:



Kidding! Sorry, after reading over pages and pages of arguments sometimes one must indulge.

Here's what I always have in my pockets:


  • Gerber Sport Compact 400 Needlenose
  • Gerber Evo Tanto-blade
  • Streamlight PT-1AA
  • Cell Phone
  • iPod
  • Keys with a Gerber shard and P-38


That's usually all I bring as I'm more of a "hey, what's this lead to..." and wander impulsively. But if I'm planning on going somewhere I tend to bring this bag (Maxpedition Sitka Gearslinger and a bandana!):


With this stuff in it:


  • Door stops
  • 3m Respirator
  • Filters
  • Cheap Poncho
  • 50FT of 8mm Cord
  • Half a dozen glow sticks
  • First Aid Kit
  • Off-brand SAM Splint
  • Fenix 7 Level 225 Lumen Headlamp
  • AA Maglight
  • Bunch of extra AA Batteries
  • (not pictured) 100oz water bladder
  • (not pictured) 32oz Gatoraid
  • (not pictured) Snacks of some sort


And a better look at the first aid kit:




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Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 108 on 10/21/2010 5:28 PM >
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Posted by compaq12986
That seemed like a pretty angry rant from a gun nut.


Uneducated, Ignorant fucks like yourself piss me off. I guess I'm just tired of society as a whole becoming a giant group of bitches.

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<Reply # 109 on 10/21/2010 5:34 PM >
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Posted by fiftyone_eggs
if you carry a gun while trespassing on private property the odds are far greater it will be a means to cellmate bitchdom rather than heroic self defense.

'urban exploring' typically involves trespassing on somebody's private property. yes. the vast majority of properties that seem 'abandoned' are indeed owned by somebody somewhere and you are technically not allowed to be there. i've been on this forum long enough to see people complain about getting charged with B&E when it should have been trespassing. throw a firearm into that mix: prison.

wilderness hiking, spelunking, organized search and rescue etc, all fall into another category and probably belong in another forum somewhere where nobody will argue with you for carrying a gun.

i've been doing this shit for decades - alone. i've come across human and animal inhabitants of all kinds. never once have i thought to myself 'i wish i had a gun'.


That's fine... that's you, good for you, I hope you have continued success with your UE. Having gun on you while trespassing isn't a smart Idea, BUT, if you do your research and know your laws, only certain states have laws that say that having a concealed weapon on you while trespassing will raise the offense.

I think Applesnail made it clear that I don't bring it with me on 95% of our urbex trips. We usually have at least 3 of us when we go somewhere, so there is safety in numbers... not to mention we are all pretty quick and agile and know when to leave a place.

Also, as I stated clearly in the first few pages, I only bring the firearm with me when Im going to places that are secluded and if I'm by myself. I'm not a "gun nut" obviously, and I know when and where I can/can't have it.

Compaq is just a drama loving kid that wanted to start some shit. His rants were completely unfounded and had no factual information in them at all. I can't stand stupid people spreading fear about firearms because they are the reason they have a bad name. He will try to counter this saying that firearms are what kill people blablabla and thats why they have a bad name. But no, it's stupid people that were never brought up with firearms that don't know a thing about them and think they are "Gangster" that kill people with them.

Do Pens cause spelling mistakes? I don't think so.

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<Reply # 110 on 10/21/2010 5:39 PM >
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ok fine. but quick question: how will having a firearm on you work out should you get charged with breaking and entering?

as i've said, i've come across several threads where people were upset because the local cops acted like dicks and handed out B&E instead of trespassing.

[edit]...

so i looked this up. in my jurisdiction, carrying a dangerous weapon while breaking and entering will typically put you in the class 2 felony category.

the only felony category that is worse would be the class 1 felony.

just fyi.
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<Reply # 111 on 10/21/2010 9:45 PM >
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Posted by I Don't Watch T.V.

That's usually all I bring as I'm more of a "hey, what's this lead to..." and wander impulsively. But if I'm planning on going somewhere I tend to bring this bag (Maxpedition Sitka Gearslinger and a bandana!):
http://farm2.stati...8_2ac0059493_z.jpg


Excellent! A fellow Sitka user. They're tough as hell and I love mine to pieces, though I do wish the internal space was organized a little better, sometimes.

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<Reply # 112 on 10/21/2010 10:12 PM >
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Excellent! A fellow Sitka user. They're tough as hell and I love mine to pieces, though I do wish the internal space was organized a little better, sometimes.


I wish I could find a decent bag. Water, camera, and a spare light or two. And some snack bars. Maybe some flammable liquids. Maybe that's my problem.

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<Reply # 113 on 10/21/2010 10:12 PM >
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Posted by fiftyone_eggs
ok fine. but quick question: how will having a firearm on you work out should you get charged with breaking and entering?

as i've said, i've come across several threads where people were upset because the local cops acted like dicks and handed out B&E instead of trespassing.

[edit]...

so i looked this up. in my jurisdiction, carrying a dangerous weapon while breaking and entering will typically put you in the class 2 felony category.

the only felony category that is worse would be the class 1 felony.

just fyi.



You will need to waste countless hours in court and have to budget $2,000-$10,000 for an excellent lawyer who will get EVERYTHING dropped and plea'd down to infraction level trespass fine, court fees, and community service.

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<Reply # 114 on 10/21/2010 10:49 PM >
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You will need to waste countless hours in court and have to budget $2,000-$10,000 for an excellent lawyer who will get EVERYTHING dropped and plea'd down to infraction level trespass fine, court fees, and community service.


I want to find the lawyer who can do this. Were i come from thats just a retainer fee. and its closer to the 10k mark fyi.

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<Reply # 115 on 10/21/2010 10:54 PM >
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Posted by I Don't Watch T.V.
Usually I travel pretty light and only bring this stuff:

http://farm2.stati...450_b0b6a2b7f5.jpg

Kidding! Sorry, after reading over pages and pages of arguments sometimes one must indulge.

Here's what I always have in my pockets:
http://farm2.stati...6_abf05ae0c9_z.jpg

  • Gerber Sport Compact 400 Needlenose
  • Gerber Evo Tanto-blade
  • Streamlight PT-1AA
  • Cell Phone
  • iPod
  • Keys with a Gerber shard and P-38


That's usually all I bring as I'm more of a "hey, what's this lead to..." and wander impulsively. But if I'm planning on going somewhere I tend to bring this bag (Maxpedition Sitka Gearslinger and a bandana!):
http://farm2.stati...8_2ac0059493_z.jpg

With this stuff in it:
http://farm2.stati...2_d39cba7183_z.jpg

  • Door stops
  • 3m Respirator
  • Filters
  • Cheap Poncho
  • 50FT of 8mm Cord
  • Half a dozen glow sticks
  • First Aid Kit
  • Off-brand SAM Splint
  • Fenix 7 Level 225 Lumen Headlamp
  • AA Maglight
  • Bunch of extra AA Batteries
  • (not pictured) 100oz water bladder
  • (not pictured) 32oz Gatoraid
  • (not pictured) Snacks of some sort


And a better look at the first aid kit:
http://farm2.stati...6_fcf6a4286a_z.jpg




Looks to be a well put together kit, Maxpedition makes a nice bag, well thought out. Only gripe I've had with the sling is it obviously puts all the weight on one shoulder, start to feel that after a while.

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<Reply # 116 on 10/21/2010 11:00 PM >
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Posted by compaq12986
I want to find the lawyer who can do this. Were i come from thats just a retainer fee. and its closer to the 10k mark fyi.


I can get the best lawyer in any nearby state for a prorated professional courtesy cost ... and yet I'll be asking for a public defender for my trespassing charges coming up. That's just to cost the court system money though (and I don't want to pay for a lawyer.)

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<Reply # 117 on 10/21/2010 11:09 PM >
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Posted by fiftyone_eggs
ok fine. but quick question: how will having a firearm on you work out should you get charged with breaking and entering?

as i've said, i've come across several threads where people were upset because the local cops acted like dicks and handed out B&E instead of trespassing.

[edit]...

so i looked this up. in my jurisdiction, carrying a dangerous weapon while breaking and entering will typically put you in the class 2 felony category.

the only felony category that is worse would be the class 1 felony.

just fyi.


Like I said, I know when and when not to carry. Also, people usually don't know how to approach police officers to get better results.

I know you just looked that up, but you are in New Jersey, one of the most unfriendly firearm states in the country. . . Your laws are a lot different than most other states.

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<Reply # 118 on 10/22/2010 12:08 AM >
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Posted by Ashes in the Snow


Like I said, I know when and when not to carry. Also, people usually don't know how to approach police officers to get better results.

I know you just looked that up, but you are in New Jersey, one of the most unfriendly firearm states in the country. . . Your laws are a lot different than most other states.


well I think that goes for most of the northeast (well except Maine/NH)

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<Reply # 119 on 10/22/2010 12:25 AM >
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Posted by Livingstone

Looks to be a well put together kit, Maxpedition makes a nice bag, well thought out. Only gripe I've had with the sling is it obviously puts all the weight on one shoulder, start to feel that after a while.

I dont watch tv either


Thanks!

I agree with the shoulder strap. I try to keep it light, without water and snacks the whole bag only weighs 6.4 pounds.

Only thing I'm obviously missing is a pair of gloves I'm about to go pick up now (I've been putting it off because I have the lazy and haven't gone anywhere in a while).

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