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Samurai Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York Total Likes: 1900 likes
No matter where you go, there you are...
| | | Re: Police and Security: Post their sweet rides < Reply # 127 on 2/24/2009 11:19 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by NickSan The Mustang II was a pile of crap.
| I disgree. The Mustang II came at the right time, for the right price, for the right market and kept the Mustang name alive until the third generation premiered in 1979. One thing that should always be kept in mind was that the Mustang was and is a parts bin car. The engineering of the original Mustang was a mix of Fairlane and Falcon and went from there, eventually becoming a cartoon of itself by the redesign in 1971. In 1974, when the Mustang II debuted, it was the height of the OPEC oil embargo and small cars were selling like hotcakes. The Mustang II was the right car in the fact that it had a small displacement, 2.8L V6 sourced from Ford's European arm (which for 1974 was fairly revolutionary). It's standard power was from the then clean-sheet 2.3L OHC Lima 4. Granted, power was nothing to note, but the fuel economy and overall 'feel' of the car was definitely ahead of the times. Many people have bitched that the Pinto and Mustang II were about the same car which is unfair to the Deuce. The Mustang II shared much of it's engineering with the Pinto, mainly in the sense of keeping costs low and volumes high. Much of the differences in the car came in the suspension location and calibration. Anyone who has ever driven a Pinto and a Mustang II will say that the Mustang II definitely rode and handled better than the poor old econo-pony. One other thing that really peeved me about Nicks comment was the fact that the Mustang shared powertrains between the Pinto and Capri. It wasn't until 1975 that the Mustang II was equipped with an emissions emasculated 302 V8. So where is the hate come from for the little pony?
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| Samurai Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York Total Likes: 1900 likes
No matter where you go, there you are...
| | | Re: Police and Security: Post their sweet rides < Reply # 129 on 2/25/2009 1:34 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by NickSan
That car was another in a long line of poorly made US cars that embarrassed us in the face of Jap and Euro quality. And for an American muscle car name it was an embarrassment. Yeah it got a bunch of small US cars on the road but that was due to being an American built car, not a quality built car. They always reminded me of the $.25 car ride at the store. Having driven Mustang II and having owned a Capri and a 280Z in the 70’s I can say the Mustang II was not a well built car, it was not a drivers car nor was it sexy. They should have retired the Mustang name until they could build something worthy of the name.
| Nick, I hate to say this, but some friends of mine had cars around the same vintage as the Mustang II. One was a 79 Celicaa ST another was a 75 Corolla SR5 liftback... not once did I drive either car and think to myself what a fine quality car they were. They felt like a cheap hunk of shit. When I graduated high school, I had a 1980 Ford Pinto with a 2.3L Lima 4/4speed manual. My friend had a 1982 Toyota Corolla SR5 coupe with a 1.8L OHC engine/5speed manual. My car had 86,000 miles, his had 65,000 miles... Who's broke down more often? Who's car had shit falling off of it? Who's car was more expensive to fix? Who's car felt like a cheaply made toy? Yeah, I'm throwing rocks at Toyotas while driving a Ford... Sue me. I drove my Pinto to hell and back twice, raced it fearlessly and drove it in snowstorms that would've made a Hummer go "wait just a goddamn minute..." and never once did it fail me. It seemed like every time you turned around, Eric's Corolla had something wrong with it. Clutch one week, alternator the next, bumper cover falling off, ripped seats... the car was a rolling clusterfuck. ANd he had that same fanboy attitude that drives me nuts to this day. Oh his Toyota was sooooooooo much better than my Great Pumpkin. (Yeah, my Pinto was orange.) Maybe it's because I have been around cars all my life, at both ends of their life cycles, maybe it's because I am from the North East. Maybe it's because I am cynical and don't buy into much bullshit, but I never ever saw where a foreign car, other than a BMW or Benz, was all that much better than a domestic. I have twisted wrenches on just about everything on wheels and give me a Ford, GM or even a CHRYSLER to wrench on other than a Japanese car. All i could imagine as I tried to shove my Caucasoid hand into these impossibly small workspaces was som evil Japanese line worker, "Stupid American with the fat hand! Bwahahaha" I just want to know what qualifies the average schmuck on the street expert on a car? What makes some dickhead who barely knows how to drive a car or put gas in it an expert on quality? What, just because he reads what the fanboys at Consumer Reports have to say, that means he's an auto writer for Car & Fucking Driver? Horseshit. Most people don't have a clue what it takes to design and build a car, let alone what goes on on an assembly line. So everyone is an expert on quality... hooray. Now, I'm not calling Nick a dickhead. It's just his comment are what I have to deal with ON EVERY FUCKING AUTOMOTIVE FORUM I BROWSE... oh my fucking god... japanese quality blah blah blah... what a joke. Start googling around at warranty hassles the foreign makes give you, or how often their cars DO break down and how much $$$ they pay to keep it quiet. Nick, i'm not going off on you... it's i get tired of hearing the same old rhetoric by the way, our local cops have a plain old beige gramma Taurus for a cop car.
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| BigSam
Location: Massachooshits Gender: Male Total Likes: 0 likes
Motherfucker!
| | | Re: Police and Security: Post their sweet rides < Reply # 130 on 2/25/2009 4:14 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | i like my 4runner At the moment, I own a Chevy, a BMW, and 2 Toyota 4-Runners. Each with it's own purpose, but I have to be honest, my Toyota went to hell, and back, more times that I could count. I put 34" Super Swampers on the stock suspension, with a stock power plant, and drove the christ out of that thing. I couldn't kill it, no matter what I did. My mom ended up killing it the one time I let her drive it. Oh, I went exploring last week and security drove a 97 metro with 2 donuts on it. Terrifying.
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| | | | Re: Police and Security: Post their sweet rides < Reply # 135 on 2/26/2009 1:06 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Samurai
and the Cavalier will last just as long as the Civic and be cheaper to repair than the Civic. I know, I've had 8 Cavaliers of varying vintages.
| BUT. The Civic is worth more on trade in. I looked at getting an Accord, Camry, and Altima but realized none of them offered anything over one another. Just brand name. I got the Stereotypical "NO. They Suck." from both parents when I suggested American. Seeing as I needed my mom's co-signature for the loan (banks aren't handing out loans irresponsibly anymore, what the hell?) and my dad's automotive skills as he is the one who does the maintenance. That squashed that idea. I went with my '05 Legacy Sedan because it had AWD. (Hey I just remembered Av drives a Legacy, lol.) And it was the best offer I found at the time and I needed a new vehicle ASAP. You know the saying ... Consider a good deal but don't pass up a GREAT Deal. The car was really well maintained. But had really high mileage 133,000. (The previous owner had a 2 hour highway work commute every day.) The dealership put new tires, new manifolds, new Catalytic Converter, brakes are fairly new, timing belt. Car is used; but is "like new". The car is a rarity in that.
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| Speed
Location: Philly area Gender: Male Total Likes: 592 likes
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| | | Re: Police and Security: Post their sweet rides < Reply # 136 on 2/26/2009 4:52 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by TheVicariousVadder Well, a car is an investment.
| hardly an investment. automobiles are guaranteed losers in⋅vest⋅ment[in-vest-muhnt] –noun 1. the investing of money or capital in order to gain profitable returns, as interest, income, or appreciation in value. | cars NEVER appreciate in fact the moment its titled it loses value. I'm not trying to be and ass or give you a hard time so dont take it that way. its much like Samurai's earlier rant, I cant keep my mouth shut when someone refers to a car as an investment. kinda like saying a boat is an investment. now if we we're talkin about a Bugatti Royale, well then that may be a different story. and the foreign vs domestic thing, rigamortis has long set in on that horse!
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