Posted by MrGreenJeans Hey tek, where can I get one of those goofy hats?

Anyone can have one. All you have to do is close your eyes, look deep inside and admit that you have no good reason to believe the preposterous and hateful ideas you espouse. Right after that it will show up in the mail.

Posted by MrGreenJeans Why can't people under the age of 18 make decisions? They can work and pay taxes. What's with the magic number? No matter, I didn't mention children anyway you're just interjecting that. I was merely discussing unnatural sexual desires such as pedophilia and homosexuality. I suppose perhaps you simply can't argue the point effectively without changing the subject.

You did mention children. According to the DSM-IV TR , pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 or older) typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children.

That and you mentioned children by name.

BTW you "interjected" 18, not me. Age of consent varies by jurisdiction. Is this you changing the subject? It's pretty obvious to all that you cannot effectively argue any point...

On the other hand, I was quite clear, and everyone else knew what I was talking about. That means you are either deliberately misrepresenting my point or you really are that stupid.

Posted by MrGreenJeans As Mutant reminded you, homosexuality has been in many mental health manuals until the homosexuals put pressure on the mental health system to remove it. I suppose if NAMLBA got their way and had pedophilia removed as well then it would be okay.

You keep saying that you are not comparing the two, but here you do it again. This argument is invalid and will continue to be wrong no matter how much you repeat it.

Both are naturally occurring phenomenon. Just because we choose as a society to protect children based on vulnerability does not mean you can mandate that society protect consenting adults from one another based on bronze aged storybooks, hate and fear.

Posted by MrGreenJeans According to the CDC gay men are the only group in which HIV infections are actually increasing, perhaps it should be discouraged simply on a national health basis. Good luck dodging that bug Sam.

If that were true, then by any measure removing the social stigma on homosexuality, encouraging safe sex practices and increasing access to health care would have far better harm reduction results than trying to discourage homosexuality based based on a broken moral code from a retarded desert dweller that may or may not have stalked middle eastern deserts with twelve dudes...

Posted by tekriter Both are naturally occurring phenomenon. Just because we choose as a society to protect children based on vulnerability does not mean you can mandate that society protect consenting adults from one another based on bronze aged storybooks, hate and fear.

Right, our society has a taboo on sex with children, which I think is definitely for the best, but that taboo is not universal across societies in history or even today.

Posted by MrGreenJeans lol that's all you can come up with? Most redheads aren't unnatural, disease spreading perverts. Most anyway.

No, and not all people on the internet are ignorant, hate spreading idiots, but there are obviously some.

Posted by MrGreenJeans lol that's all you can come up with? Most redheads aren't unnatural, disease spreading perverts. Most anyway. Kyle, you are wrong. The central message of religion is not to "love everyone no matter what". You've simply been brainwashed by the liberals. If that were the case then there would be no religion, since it wouldn't matter anyway. Different religions teach different things, and you must choose what you put your faith in and pray that other do the same for their own salvation. Religion is not about hating anyone, but it's central core is definitely not about loving everyone.

I didn't say THE central message was to love everyone no matter what, I said A central message was to love people despite differences, there's a pretty big difference. And as someone who spent the better part of my life in a catholic school I've experienced first hand christianity and all it's teachings. In addition to spending 2 years learning about islam, hinduism, sikhism, judaism, jainism, buddhism, and a few other minor ones. From the "holy" texts I've read there definitely does seem to be A prevalent theme throughout them all about loving one another regardless of differences. I believe the new testament (i.e. Jesus) was quite big on that idea actually.
If religion is not about hating anyone, then why all the hatred spewed fourth between the 3 main ones that all have roots based on the SAME fables? It was certainly there in the past and still exists on a less violent degree today.

Forget religion, they can all continue discretely trying to eliminate each other and while they're doing that I'll be working in a lab finding ways to better humanity with things that actually exist.

i'm almost 40 years old. HIV and AIDS is very much in forefront of my mind and therefore any activity that I have had, had, or will have will be as safe as I can make it. The ignorance level of mrgreenjeans is such that he glossed over the immutable fact that HIV and AIDS is spreading faster through the heterosexual population than homosexual population. Please fact check before you spout ignorate, hate-filled rhetoric please.

Now, moving right along, one thing that Mrgreenjeans has forgotten is that not all gay men fit the stereotype. We don't all have limp wrists, talk with lisps, work at womanly jobs, those wonderful cliches. In fact, anyone that doesn't know me has no idea and that is just fine. My sexuality is none of anyone's business. Another fact I would like to pass along is the fact that people like mrgreenjeans are in the minority when it comes to most mainstream denominations. Most catholics/methodists/protestants could really give two fucks what you do in your own house with someone you love. Another point glossed over. And, to be honest, people like mrgreenjeans are generally the ones in denial. They have a homosexual identity trying to get out and won't. So, they spout hate and angry, religious rhetoric to hide behind.

Unfortunately, anyone with a brain can see through the screen. At first, when mrgreenjeans started posting here, I was sincerely upset. I mean, as a gay man being lumped in with pedophiles and called an 'abomination' does take the wind out of one's sails, but then i started to read between the lines and see what kind of 'man' this mrgreenjeans was. my first instinct was and is troll. He is someone who is so removed from his own life that he has nothing better to do than troll forums and make a nuisance of himself. I would venture that is not the only forum that he haunts, although i feel that this is probably the only one that offers that lattitude and leniency to spout his level of ignorance. My second thought is that this guy really hates himself. I mean, no mirrors in the house loathing. Third, the religious mania is a smokescreen for a narrow, uninformed world view which leaves him behind in even the simplest intellectual discussions.

so for now, entertain the troll and if those of you who are religious would pray for him to accept his latent homosexuality, i'm sure he'd appreciate it.

So, keep digging, greenjeans, its your trowel, its your hole. Enjoy.

Is the best insult that a homosexual came come up with to call straight people gay? It sounds to me more like you are a self hating homo than anything else. I find it quite funny when queers use their own illness as a negative, isn't that what you're supposed to be against? Seems like that's what the gays always resort to when they have nothing else to counter with.

Posted by MrGreenJeans Is the best insult that a homosexual came come up with to call straight people gay? It sounds to me more like you are a self hating homo than anything else. I find it quite funny when queers use their own illness as a negative, isn't that what you're supposed to be against? Seems like that's what the gays always resort to when they have nothing else to counter with.

and i'll tell you this, my analysis of you not an insult. they're dead on and with each post you make vindicate my reckoning.

keep posting, nancy.

Here's a neat little fact about HIV and AIDS, you are just as likely to get it having unprotected straight sex, as you would having unprotected gay sex. Also, can you find me one straight person who has not done a sex act that homosexual couples do? Im pretty sure we all love to give and receive oral. Also at this point, when the divorce rate is 50% in the united states, and people like Kim kardashian get married for 72 days, and Britney Spears 48 hours just for fun marriage, straight folks aren't doing such a great job at protecting the sanctity of marriage. My aunt and her wife have been married longer than two of dads marriages, my marriage, and most of my other family members marriages. Seems to me they have it figured it better than anyone else in my family. Also if you ever compare my aunts lifestyle to being a pedophile, abomination, or a disease spreading pervert again, I will find you and slap the shit out of you.

Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby Here's a neat little fact about HIV and AIDS, you are just as likely to get it having unprotected straight sex, as you would having unprotected gay sex. Also, can you find me one straight person who has not done a sex act that homosexual couples do? Im pretty sure we all love to give and receive oral. Also at this point, when the divorce rate is 50% in the united states, and people like Kim kardashian get married for 72 days, and Britney Spears 48 hours just for fun marriage, straight folks aren't doing such a great job at protecting the sanctity of marriage. My aunt and her wife have been married longer than two of dads marriages, my marriage, and most of my other family members marriages. Seems to me they have it figured it better than anyone else in my family. Also if you ever compare my aunts lifestyle to being a pedophile, abomination, or a disease spreading pervert again, I will find you and slap the shit out of you.

i love you, man.

Hate that this is so long but it is what it is .......

I have posted a few things on this board, and others, when the issue of "is being gay a choice" or "should gays be allowed to marry" but for the most part I stay quiet as I don't like getting drawn into arguments with closed minded people who want to take us back to the dark ages where we would all have to live our lives according to whatever the "Kings Law" was at the time. But, I do read the posts and at times they rile me up to post or more often they stay in my mind during the week thinking what would I say to this or that person to try and get a point across if they would actually open their mind and listen, not only to what others say but to themselves. So with that said.....

It all really boils down quite honestly to the issue of mixing politics and religion and how deeply do you want one group’s beliefs to be forced on another’s.

I will preface this with telling you, I am a Christian, and I do believe Christ is my savior and path to an afterlife. That said, I also have a very different take on Christianity than some of you do and what the "bible" says and how we should apply it to our lives. At the same time I also deep respect of the teaching of many eastern religions and the Jewish faith. I also have a great deal of respect for my friends who consider themselves atheists and agnostics and would never for a minute try and "force" them to believe as I do.

I won’t talk about the fact there are hundreds if not thousands of biblical scholars all over the world who disagree with the typical anti-gay interpretation of scripture, not to mention of how some of those scriptures should be applied. You have your beliefs and they are to be respected and not infringed on in this country. And that my friend is the point, "in this country". We all know in many other countries laws and how people live their lives are dictated by the government, and they typically are based on whatever the ruling persons religious beliefs are. This is as true today as it was at the founding of this country and for thousands of years past.

Therein lays the issue. I will not argue the point that this country was founded with a very strong moral ground and that most of those considered our "founding fathers", were religious and held a belief in God and a supreme creator, albeit many held wide and different views and were of different "religions". However as has been discussed debated and talked about we all know and cannot deny many of those who helped found this country did so with just as strong a belief that religion had no place in how the country was governed or the laws passed to support it. This was also a huge principle behind the American Revolution, which not many tend to get into. We were tired of not just the taxes the monarchy was forcing us to pay, but the fact we also had to abide by the churches laws and pay taxes to the church as well. Not to mention, we were still expected to baptize our children into the church at birth, or risk having our children taken away and be considered unfit parents. Interesting enough, it was the early Baptist church that was at the forefront of the refusal to abide by the Church of England any more. I can’t help but wonder what they would think about the state of their church now trying to force their beliefs on everyone.

At the end of the day, it truly doesn’t matter if being gay is choice or not, what matters is it isn't right to marginalize people just because their choices do not match yours. What if someone was elected president who was ultra conservative and passed an executive order stating we were all going to follow the scripture to the tee and that all you folks who had been divorced for any reason other than adultery had to either go back to your first wife, leaving your current wife and family or go to jail and pay fines, would you consider that fair and just? What if Mitt is elected in the next election and passes orders forcing Mormon beliefs into law, we all have to begin wearing special Mormon underwear, outlaws coffee and caffeine based drinks and requires us to begin worshipping multiple Gods. What if someone is elected that says we can’t work for the government if we don’t believe as them because we only want true believers in our government. You can take it any number of ways, Lieberman and Jewish faith, or someone who believes in an eastern religion, or as many have been panicked about, someone who is Muslim being elected and forcing Sharia law on us.

The point being, why should my 20 year (almost) relationship, both our one and only mind you, be any less recognized by the government than say, oh.... Newt Gringrich's, what 4th?. Why should I have to worry every day about getting a new boss who is a homophobe coming in and firing me even though I am typically responsible for over 40% of the sales in the company I work for, yes I have had it happen. Why should it be okay to refuse to rent me an apartment, or sell me a house simply because I am gay, yes I have had it happen. Why should I worry about someone noticing me make some small gesture of affection to my partner and getting my ass kicked for it, yes I have had it happen (well it was actually before we were together and more a general bashing in general but point made) All of this and more, it isn’t I am asking for "special" treatment" I am asking that I not have to pay about 5 grand a year more in Taxes simply because my partner and I have no legal standing, that’s a 100 grand I have lost in case you can’t multiply, that's HUGE, not to mention the thousands we have spent on legal fees to make sure we have everything in place for when one of us die or get sick.

You can try and raise the health issue, but the reality is the largest segment of the populations worldwide getting HIV is heterosexual, in our country women are just as likely to get HIV as Gay men are so forget trying to push that argument. Not to mention a recent study found that now after gay marriage has been legal a while in several states they are finding the divorce rate by and large is much less than straight marriages. Downfall of family you say, I think the divorce rates, child abuse rates of children by family members, shows that the heterosexuals have a pretty good handle on creating the downfall in family matters.

To come back full circle regarding "marriage", it is interesting to note that it wasn’t until the late 1800's cities and/or states began issuing "marriage licenses". Until then, you got married in your local church willing to marry you and they issued the certificate and all you did at city hall was register your union with the government for tax and assessment reasons, you could do the same if you just lived together. It was about recognizing the UNION, not a religious aspect.

Bottom line, Live your life how you want, believe what you want, I don’t care, but let me do the same with the same benefits and protections. Why does there need to be laws? Because there have always had to be laws to protect the minority from the majority. That’s another founding principle of our country in case you didn’t know it.

Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby Here's a neat little fact about HIV and AIDS, you are just as likely to get it having unprotected straight sex, as you would having unprotected gay sex. Also, can you find me one straight person who has not done a sex act that homosexual couples do? Im pretty sure we all love to give and receive oral. Also at this point, when the divorce rate is 50% in the united states, and people like Kim kardashian get married for 72 days, and Britney Spears 48 hours just for fun marriage, straight folks aren't doing such a great job at protecting the sanctity of marriage. My aunt and her wife have been married longer than two of dads marriages, my marriage, and most of my other family members marriages. Seems to me they have it figured it better than anyone else in my family. Also if you ever compare my aunts lifestyle to being a pedophile, abomination, or a disease spreading pervert again, I will find you and slap the shit out of you.

Seriously, anal sex is awesome.

But I'm a deviant and I'm going to hell anyway. And apparently hetero buttsex is gay.

Posted by MrGreenJeans The good news is the likelihood of suicide is higher amongst queers and dykes than among heterosexuals. Sam, If you're going to go that route please don't make a whiny youtube video, those are getting old.

OK, I can see we are no longer able to have a mature discussion.

All I will say is that I feel I am a better person for the gays & lesbians I have known.

Sure, threatening to beat people up over the internet is mature, right?

Monkey, all you've proved is that your family sucks and your marriage was a failure. Good for you. Your aunt is a sexual deviant (assuming their "marriage" is a sexual relationship), just like any pedophile or rapist.

Since AIDS is more prevalent among gays then you are *more likely* to get it by having unprotected sex with a fag than through unprotected straight sex. You're simply wrong according to actual science and statistics. http://www.science...9/070913132930.htm

Among the numbers ... 1 in 5 gays has AIDS. 1 in 3 gays with AIDS have unprotected sex. There may be more new infections among straight people, but there are also alot more straight people making it actually less likely to get AIDS during straight sex acts. If there was 1 straight person and 1 gay who both had AIDS then sure it might be same likelihood of getting the disease through sex, but when there's 1 gay and 1 straight among 4 other straight people the likelihood of catching it drops for straight. I'm sure its difficult for you to grasp.

As for "hetero butt sex", if you're a guy infatuated with butt sex then you are a closet fag. Oral sex is neither straight nor gay, sorry to break it to you. It's also highly unlikely to transmit HIV. It's still mainly spread through homo butt sex.

I changed my mind Sam, I hope you do make one of those stupid whiny youtube videos.

Alright man, you need to settle down with the "homo" and "fag" stuff.

Words can't even begin to convey the rage I have at you, not for your views, but your completely disgusting and immoral ways of talking about others. My family doesn't fail at marriage, its awfully hard to compete with someone who has been in the same committed relationship for over 45 years. As for their relationship being sexual, im sure it is, but is also one based largely on love and compassion and understanding. Also oral sex isn't gay? Awesome, so lesbians and gay men who only have oral sex with each other are cool then. You approve of gay sex, congrats for coming around. Im going to take a step away from this now, before i explode in rage. But everytime i think about your disgusting hateful and just plain vile thoughts, it fills me with an anger i havent experienced in a long time.

what about women who enjoy anal? Are they "closeted fags" as well? Are you saying if you ever left your moms basement and actually dated a woman and she said she wanted anal, you would say no? If so, then perhaps you're the closeted one, since you would turn down sex with a woman...

No religion forum is complete without a thorough discussion of anal sex.

Posted by MrGreenJeans Sure, threatening to beat people up over the internet is mature, right? Monkey, all you've proved is that your family sucks and your marriage was a failure. Good for you. Your aunt is a sexual deviant (assuming their "marriage" is a sexual relationship), just like any pedophile or rapist. Since AIDS is more prevalent among gays then you are *more likely* to get it by having unprotected sex with a fag than through unprotected straight sex. You're simply wrong according to actual science and statistics. http://www.science...9/070913132930.htm Among the numbers ... 1 in 5 gays has AIDS. 1 in 3 gays with AIDS have unprotected sex.

I'm not sure what "sciencedaily" is, although I guess I wont question it, but if you do a search, on overall statistics this doesn't hold water, as an example

A recent study conducted in the United Kingdom assessed the status of HIV infections in heterosexuals versus those currently found in homosexuals. Currently, there are a greater number of HIV-infected heterosexuals in the United Kingdom than HIV-infected homosexuals. Based on their findings, researchers have inferred that it may be possible to further restrict heterosexual transmission of HIV.

Historically, the first HIV infections identified in the U.K. were in homosexual males. However by the mid-1990s, the majority of HIV diagnoses were in heterosexuals. This trend continues to this day.
http://www.aidsbea...he-united-kingdom/

As for your 1 in 5 stat, I would love to see where you pulled that one from!

And based on your train of thought, what do you do in the majority of the rest of the world where AIDS is predominantly spread thru hetero contact? Outlaw marriage and sex between the heteros?

I think your the one who is wrong on your statistics.

Posted by MrGreenJeans Sure, threatening to beat people up over the internet is mature, right?

you're not impressing anyone with your little tidbits of ignorance and you most certainly are not dazzling this forum with your encyclopedic knowledge of anti-gay slurs and stereotypes. Congratulations on showing your true colors. everyone here is truly impressed by your stupidity.

Posted by MutantMandias Alright man, you need to settle down with the "homo" and "fag" stuff.

Says the pervert who calls black people "niggers" and "spades".

Arch, the 1 in 5 stat comes right from the sciencedaily page. I'm also not in the UK so I don't care about UK stats. The biggest "hetero" AIDS region is in Africa where men have multiple child wifes and are gay on the "down low", along with committing cannibalism and bestiality. Hardly what I would consider a bastion of healthy heterosexual relationships.

Monkey, your analogy (giggity) is lame. Lesbian and gays (why do you even need separate terms for homosexuals?) also breathe air, so is breathing air "gay"? While they may engage in oral sex it is quite prevalent in heterosexual relationships enough that is not associated with being gay.

Any woman who wants to be pounded in the ass is also a sexual deviant and is most likely in an abusive relationship or seeks out abuse probably due to a cycle of abuse. Monkey, because I'm not a failure at marriage like you I don't need to day dream about butt sex. I'm glad I got you to feel emotions you haven't felt in awhile.

You know you want me Sam, just admit it. You can't have me, but I think it would do you good to just admit it anyway.

First, I don't believe that you are a real person. Even if you are not actually pulling our legs by acting out the rantings and raving of a lunatic, you would not qualify as a real person in most people's estimation.

Posted by MrGreenJeans Says the pervert who calls black people "niggers" and "spades".

Yes, I posted that as an explicit comparison to your ignorant and hateful posts. I didn't think I was being too subtle, but you have again surprised me.

Posted by MrGreenJeans The biggest "hetero" AIDS region is in Africa where men have multiple child wifes and are gay on the "down low"

And the high incidence of AIDS is mostly due to ignorance and religious pressure to not educate about health and safe sexual activities or provide condoms.

Posted by MrGreenJeans While they may engage in oral sex it is quite prevalent in heterosexual relationships enough that is not associated with being gay.

And of course, oral sex is another unnatural and perverse act, and anyone who does it should be stoned to death.

Posted by MrGreenJeans Any woman who wants to be pounded in the ass is also a sexual deviant and is most likely in an abusive relationship or seeks out abuse probably due to a cycle of abuse. Monkey, because I'm not a failure at marriage like you I don't need to day dream about butt sex. I'm glad I got you to feel emotions you haven't felt in awhile. You know you want me Sam, just admit it. You can't have me, but I think it would do you good to just admit it anyway.

And I think this last section should be proof enough for anyone that you are not for real. I'm not sure why people continue to engage you.