Posted by tekriter
Uh...okay himmer.
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Its easy to say what a you would have done or refused to do when you have never been in the position.
Posted by tekriter
But people are okay?
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Good play on words I suppose?
Posted by tekriter
Wow. You sure you are not just a little bit nazi? And by science do you mean the same "scienc" as intelligent design? |
I mean to prove a point that you cannot seem to grasp despite me laying out out plainly. What is reasonable is relative. As far as nazis were concerned Jews being inferior and subhuman was reasonable and proved by science. In 1917 America sterilizing criminals and retarded people was reasonable. In 1720 owning another human being was reasonable. Reasonable is all relative to social norms. Its relative to the time period and the individual. What one person in one culture finds reasonable another may find completely unreasonable.
The point. What is reasonable is all relative.
Posted by tekriter
Mo, not all accounts. He gave mixed messages, referred to god all the time, dabbled in the occult...This is well documented. |
Now you are destroying your own argument. You say he was a strong Catholic but then he dabbled in the occult. True he did, but the occult is hardly Catholic. Mentioning God in speeches and having varying spiritual beliefs over time, including beliefs in the occult, is not a strong case for the Catholic or even Christian basis of Nazi Germany you seem to believe in.
Posted by tekriter
Still never excommunicated a single catholic nazi. |
Were there any high ranking Catholic Nazis? Catholicism was by a large margin not the majority religion in Germany and most Catholics were from Bavaria and more rural parts of Germany. Prussia and the regions with strong military tradition were protestant areas.
Posted by tekriter
Never spoke out agisnt it. For an organization that claims to be billions of people's moral compass they had a higher standard of duty to say something. More often than not, they sat silent or actually helped out. |
Are you incapable of comprehending the time? Would it have been better the pope speak out and Germany take away all autonomy the Vatican retained during the war? So they could have saved nobody?
You seem to have some crazy notion the pope could have launched his own army to fight Germany or would have somehow been immune to reprisals had he spoken out. The church was suppressed in almost every occupied country, especially in Poland and Holland. In Poland over 3,000 clergy members were murdered, many in concentration camps and in Holland bishops and other clergy who spoke out were also sent to camps or detained. 2,600 Catholic Priests died at Dachau alone.
Be aware that is it believed that Hitler did consider assasianting or kidnknapping the Pope in 1943. The Pope was also named as a co-consiprator in the July 20 bomb plot to kill Hitler according to the SS report.
So while in one country you can point to the Bishop and the country's branch of the catholic church complying it is clear that the Church in most countries did not and suffered for their stand against Nazi Germany.
Posted by tekriter
I think religion had more to do with it than you - but at the end of the day it was about unreasonable ideas and not enough people demanding good evidence. |
I have never heard "God told us to kill them" as a reason for the holocaust.
Posted by tekriter
Funny you mention brainwashing. See if you can talk to some taliban prisoners.
Islamozombies is the best world I've heard so far. Sadly it fits perfectly. They are perfectly willing to kill you and everyone you know for unfounded ideas about the nature of the universe. |
I have no doubt they are brainwashed.
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