Posted by Samurai i need to get out of a $650 a month fucking car payment

Won't going another $15-20k into the hole just make the payments even larger unless you stretch the new loan term out 70+ months?

Posted by WarBird69 Won't going another $15-20k into the hole just make the payments even larger unless you stretch the new loan term out 70+ months?

I think MSRP is 13k right now on the Sonic.

Though to be honest, even though the Sonic is the 3rd generation Aveo (which we have gone back and forth about the merits of the Aveo/Wave on this board to death) Its not the same vehicle anymore as the previous generations. The body is designed by Daewoo R&D in South Korea, but its using the smaller Ecotec motors from GM which have been around for quite some time and its made in Orion, MI. So I can see why Samarai is interested in it...its kind of like the new sister of the Cavalier.

It's a shitbox, just like any other Daewoo built POS. It will be bad, and the resale value will drop like a fucking stone.

Don't mind me, I'm just a licensed mechanic who has worked on almost every kind of car out there short of Bugatti, Morgan and Aston Martin.

I may be an opinionated prick, but the opionions have a shitload of hands-on experience to back them.

the Sonic sits on the same chassis (albeit truncated) as the Cruze. It also uses the same powerplants and transmissions.

Posted by bandi I may be an opinionated prick, but the opionions have a shitload of hands-on experience to back them.

so have you worked on every new car out there? or is it that the opinion of yours and many on this board is based off of previous generations and models of cars.
Im usually the same way, and I'm not really a fan of the car, but its difficult to take anyones opinion on this board seriously when everyone is extremely biased towards a specific manufacturer and feels all else it shit. And when opinions are based off past generations.

Just buy it......

And what the hell am I biased against? Just anything that isn't good. I'm sorry but if a manufacturer has never built a car that was actually good, why the fuck would they start now?

I don't think buying a new car that is likely to have the reliability of a computer under water will help you dig out of your hole any better. Once the warantee is up, you'll be right back where you are today, but even deeper in the hole.

Maybe you should get some professional financial advice.

Posted by bandi It's a shitbox, just like any other Daewoo built POS. It will be bad, and the resale value will drop like a fucking stone.

Except Daewoo didn't actually build any part in the thing!

Bandi, can you provide facts and details that make this new model a shit box, and you cant say its because the previous generations were because its a completely different drive train.
Now Im not a GM guy in any way, but i understand how a shitty company can make changes and produce something better over time

and please dont take this the wrong way, im not trying to be a dick, just tired of how this board is always a cock fight about brands and why each is shit. Some true facts are always better

Posted by team haymaker Bandi, can you provide facts and details that make this new model a shit box, and you cant say its because the previous generations were because its a completely different drive train.

Well first, it's a subcompact with a bowtie on the front. It's still just a second generation Aveo... and the 1.4 Turbo ecotec has been used in Europe for a while now, and has had a TON of problems with the high pressure fuel injection system. That engine is still based on the original Aveo engine which has head gasket, valve seal and cold weather running issues. The car weighs 2,700 lbs, which is NOT light for a small car.... the 1.4 is going to be straining, especially with a couple people in the car. It also has the rear suspension of a trailer.

Bandi, I also respect you as a gear head, but I think your assuming way too much. I pulled up the hard facts about the Sonic and like I said, its not assembled by Daewoo but by GM directly here in the US and the only thing Daewoo was design the body.

i am the stage now where i owe what the car is worth and am able to trade it in without losing my shirt.
i am looking for something that i can drive all year round that is good on gas. the Cobalt has been fun, it's been very reliable, it's just not practical for my life right now. i need just ONE car in my driveway. I do not want a used car, i don't want someone else' headache. I do not want a truck or SUV due to fuel costs in this area. I looked at other manufacturers as well.

I do not want a Kia or Hyundai for personal reasons.
Volkswagen does not make a small car that I find interesting. Also, for some reason, Volkswagens command a premium in this area. Cost is a factor. The Fiat 500 is interesting, but that strikes me as TOO small. I am, after all, 6ft tall and 300lbs.
I will not own a Toyota for personal reasons.
The Nissan Sentra does not really appeal to me, but is otherwise a fairly reliable car.
I like the Ford Fiesta, but it struck me as expensive next to a similarly optioned Sonic.
The Subaru Impreza has always been a solid choice, but again, in this area, they command a huge markup. (we live in a snowy, remote area as you all know)

i keep coming back to the Chevy because of my positive experiences with GM's, the cost, the styling of the i find attractive. the interior is novel and properly equipped should be fine to live with. If i do buy the car, and it is a piece of shit, imagine the endless threads filled with 'i-told-you-so's" i will be afflicted with. Oh the joy.

right now, nothing is set in stone. I have not driven the car yet, i am merely in the initial interest mode. I saw one and i liked it. The Cobalt is not so broken that it can't be mended. It's just a more expensive mend that I was financially prepared for this close to winter.

you see, the Cobalt was a learning experience and a valuable one at that. it taught me an important lesson versus needs and wants. I did not need a new car in September of 2006. My 05 Cobalt was perfectly fine. I did, however, WANT the car, to keep up with the Joneses as it were. I mean, when people you know are showing up on the set with Mustang GT's, Evo 8's, the odd IS300 and the an M3 and all you have is rims and nice stripes, it's a very wanting feeling. Back in those days, I was very conscious of dick waving. I found out that having a fast car isn't happiness. It's nice, but that $650 a month could've gone to more important and adult things.

live and learn.

kinda like

Posted by Nismo kinda like http://a3.sphotos....6_1042447795_n.jpg

um... wow.
that's... angry.

thanks, Nismo.

Ya know what, Sam isn't a car newb. He knows what will work for him. And I know if he gets a, um, whatever the hell these things really are it will be done right. Get what makes ya smile hoss.

that one looks awsome. love the wheels.
Go drive it Samurai, and let us know what its like, I remember sitting in one and liking it at the auto show.

Ultimately, you have to live with your decision. If the Chevy is what you really like and your ready to accept the possibility of having a crap build, then get the car. Driving a car your unhappy with is a chore, at best...whereas time just flies by in a car you love.

I know it's dumb, but I've became so spoiled with the red lighting inside my Pontiac, I refuse to buy a car that doesn't have red dash lighting. The all red is just so soothing, and doesn't destroy my night vision. So, I can't fault you on nitpicks.

Posted by WarBird69 I know it's dumb, but I've became so spoiled with the red lighting inside my Pontiac, I refuse to buy a car that doesn't have red dash lighting. The all red is just so soothing, and doesn't destroy my night vision.

^I respect this. (although my dash is red and indigo, but still very easy on the eyes, compared with the retina searing white my Toyota had... and my night vision SUCKS)

Posted by WarBird69 I know it's dumb, but I've became so spoiled with the red lighting inside my Pontiac, I refuse to buy a car that doesn't have red dash lighting. The all red is just so soothing, and doesn't destroy my night vision. So, I can't fault you on nitpicks.

I know the feeling.

Since I have a few dead bulbs on my dash, I'm replacing them all with red...