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 |  | Sewer explorers charged with mischief
< on 4/5/2010 7:54 PM >
|  | | | Sewer explorers charged with mischief
Two men who claim they have been exploring and photographing Toronto's network of sewers for six years appear to have explored one too many Sunday night and are facing charges of mischief as a result.
So and So, geared up with head lamps and hip waders, entered the sewer system near Ossington Avenue and Dundas Street West, police said.
A passerby spotted them climbing into the sewer and called police, who showed up with four fire trucks and a hazardous materials team.
Four hours later, So and So were found, arrested and charged.
Toronto police Det. Dan Hoffmeyer said storm sewers can be dangerous.
"Down there, there's poisonous gasses," he said. "Hazmat crews here go down with breathing apparatus, or they just [send] down [a] video camera — they don't go down personally.
"There's [also] a chance of the tunnel filling up in a matter of minutes and people drowning. If there was a storm somewhere, they'd fill up in a matter of seconds."
According to a website run by So and So, they've been exploring and photographing the underbelly of Toronto for six years and recording the finds on the site.
There's no word yet on what Sunday night's search and arrest cost the city.
When asked about the legality of entering the sewer system, Hoffmeyer said: "I guess without permission [of the city], yes, it's illegal."
Whether all of the men's previous forays into Toronto's underground were without permission, he said he had no way to know.
EDIT: Removed names. The reason I didn't initially is because they are already available quite publically. But fine, I will do it anyway...
[last edit 4/5/2010 8:25 PM by Rust - edited 2 times]
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Tamara
  
Location: Toronto
Gender: Female
Blindly Ever Onward
| | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 1 on 4/5/2010 8:03 PM >
| | | | WATCHER64 wrote:This whole thing stinks....
Etienne818 wrote:I hope they (in their goofy get-ups) didn't frighten the rats.
mister j wrote h come on! These guys have been doing this for 6 years. They probably know the sewers better than half the people who work for the city! Make them sign a waver or whatever, but let them continue
I love the comments people left.
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WarBird69
   
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| | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 2 on 4/5/2010 8:05 PM >
| | | | Wow.
Bet they wish they would've just popped a manhole upsteam somewhere.
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bfinan0
Location: Rochester, NY
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| |  | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 3 on 4/5/2010 8:12 PM >
| | | | I'm not from Toronto (yet...) but I know Dundas is one f.ing busy street. Maybe it was the only entrance into this network, but I doubt it. Besides, isn't popping a cover in plain sight a bit suspicious on its own?? At a very minimum, pop the manhole going outbound, not inbound, so they don't have to call in SAR and hazmat!
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Archer
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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| | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 4 on 4/5/2010 8:16 PM >
| | | | Depends on the time. Dundas and Ossington can actually be very quiet later at night.
Hope things work out for the two of them.
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injektilo
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| |  | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 5 on 4/5/2010 8:40 PM >
| | | | lol mischief, is this a serious charge in canada, or is it just a fine?
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mortimer
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| | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 6 on 4/5/2010 8:47 PM >
| | | | Posted by bfinan0
I'm not from Toronto (yet...) but I know Dundas is one f.ing busy street. Maybe it was the only entrance into this network, but I doubt it. Besides, isn't popping a cover in plain sight a bit suspicious on its own?? At a very minimum, pop the manhole going outbound, not inbound, so they don't have to call in SAR and hazmat!
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FYI, the story mentioned the manhole is near Dundas. It's in a quiet little park on a quiet side street a few blocks from Dundas and Ossington. It's also (as far as I can remember) the only manhole into that section of that system that's not actually in a road.
I suspect the people in question probably don't need advice from you on how to drain, but if you want to offer it anyway, that's your call.
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yokes
Location: Toronto
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| | | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 7 on 4/5/2010 8:49 PM >
| | | | Posted by injektilo
lol mischief, is this a serious charge in canada, or is it just a fine?
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In Canada, it is the most serious charge there is. "Tomfoolery" is the next lowest.
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bfinan0
Location: Rochester, NY
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| | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 8 on 4/5/2010 8:51 PM >
| | | | Posted by mortimer
FYI, the story mentioned the manhole is near Dundas. It's in a quiet little park on a quiet side street a few blocks from Dundas and Ossington. It's also (as far as I can remember) the only manhole into that section of that system that's not actually in a road.
I suspect the people in question probably don't need advice from you on how to drain, but if you want to offer it anyway, that's your call.
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I stand corrected. The original post said the manhole was on Dundas near Ossington; the actual article and current edited post have the correct location, which no longer seems like such a dubious place to enter a drain.
Also, so much for my thought that no one could get caught in drains. Now it's my turn...a year and a quarter exploring the way I do, and not arrested once, is starting to be more luck than anything.
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mortimer
Location: teronno
| | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 9 on 4/5/2010 8:52 PM >
| | | | Posted by yokes
In Canada, it is the most serious charge there is. "Tomfoolery" is the next lowest.
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Followed by "hooliganism," "general oafishness" and "willfully engaging in shenanigans."
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Boffo
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| | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 10 on 4/5/2010 9:08 PM >
| | | | I'd personally rather a trespassing ticket then a mischief charge. At least I can just pay the fine online...
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el nerdo
 
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| | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 11 on 4/5/2010 10:09 PM >
| | | | Mischief is a criminal offense, not a statutory one, and will therefore result in a criminal record upon conviction.
That being said, I highly doubt our friends from the vanishing point will have to worry - it's unlikely the charge will stick. A good lawyer will get the Crown to negotiate something else.
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Lexi
Location: Oslo, Norway
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| | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 12 on 4/5/2010 10:24 PM >
| | | | Is it just me, or does that charge kind of seem like a bit much?
[15:00:33] <SeeThirty> cause you're not likely to be anywhere that other people haven't been who didn't have protection
[15:00:41] <SeeThirty> still better safe than lexi |
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el nerdo
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| | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 13 on 4/5/2010 10:26 PM >
| | | | Posted by Lexi
Is it just me, or does that charge kind of seem like a bit much?
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Nope. What else would they charge them with?
Trespassing is too lenient in respect to the unnecessary response by TFS.
Not to mention a criminal trespass charge wouldn't likely stick since there were no notices posted, nor any criminal intent.
Mischief is a "catch-all" charge that Police use all the time.
It's about as low on the totem pole of criminal charges as you can get.
[last edit 4/5/2010 10:27 PM by el nerdo - edited 1 times]
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Lexi
Location: Oslo, Norway
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| | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 14 on 4/5/2010 10:28 PM >
| | | | Posted by el nerdo
Nope. What else would they charge them with?
Trespassing is too lenient in respect to the unnecessary response by TFS.
Not to mention a criminal trespass charge wouldn't likely stick since there were no notices posted, nor any criminal intent.
Mischief is a "catch-all" charge that Police use all the time.
It's about as low on the totem pole of criminal charges as you can get.
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Perhaps I'm just so used to the usual "It's dangerous in there, don't try it again, here's your ticket" that all this fuss seems unnecessary.
[15:00:33] <SeeThirty> cause you're not likely to be anywhere that other people haven't been who didn't have protection
[15:00:41] <SeeThirty> still better safe than lexi |
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fedge
Location: Gaud Corners, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
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| | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 15 on 4/5/2010 11:07 PM >
| | | | Hopefully they will be a lil' more stealth next time.
edit: removed names
[last edit 4/7/2010 2:35 AM by Avatar-X - edited 2 times]
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el nerdo
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| | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 16 on 4/6/2010 12:13 AM >
| | | | Posted by Lexi
Perhaps I'm just so used to the usual "It's dangerous in there, don't try it again, here's your ticket" that all this fuss seems unnecessary.
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And that would have probably been the case if the city didn't send 4 fire trucks, dozens of firefighters and the press didn't show up.
The charge was levied due to the exposure; that's it.
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 17 on 4/6/2010 1:19 AM >
| | | | Posted by Boffo
I'd personally rather a trespassing ticket then a mischief charge. At least I can just pay the fine online...
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You can pay the fine ONLINE? wat?!
Also its interesting to note that this wasn't cross plastered with full names as its been done before. Maybe discretion is catching on here...
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AnAppleSnail
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| | | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 18 on 4/6/2010 1:49 AM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
You can pay the fine ONLINE? wat?!
Also its interesting to note that this wasn't cross plastered with full names as its been done before. Maybe discretion is catching on here...
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The difference between posting it in full on UER and it being google-able is, to me, a matter of respect (and having a slight amount of patience to find out). Good luck to those involved, and too bad the CYA cops had to bring in the full terror squad on this one.
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yokes
Location: Toronto
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| | | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 19 on 4/6/2010 2:43 AM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
Also its interesting to note that this wasn't cross plastered with full names as its been done before. Maybe discretion is catching on here...
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Originally, and subsequently, it was.
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