Posted by MutantMandias Jesus fucking christ. I am disgusted by you. You are a disgusting failure of a human being. Your fucking God hates you for what you are saying, do you not understand that?

Nice. The only thing God hates here is you taking is name in vain. And God does not hate anyone, the only thing God hates is sin. Geez you musta never heard the truth before, they've brainwashed you. I'm just repeating whats already been written down in both the Koran and the Bible, I'm not making any of this up. Dont know why you are gettin so defensive there chief.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Nice. The only thing God hates here is you taking is name in vain. And God does not hate anyone, the only thing God hates is sin. Geez you musta never heard the truth before, they've brainwashed you. I'm just repeating whats already been written down in both the Koran and the Bible, I'm not making any of this up. Dont know why you are gettin so defensive there chief.

Because you believe the nonsense that you believe, and want to have decisions made about things that affect other people to be based on your ridiculous and patently wrong beliefs.

Posted by MutantMandias Because you believe the nonsense that you believe, and want to have decisions made about things that affect other people to be based on your ridiculous and patently wrong beliefs.

So who is to say what ever you believe isnt wrong? Prove that what I believe is wrong.

This discussion isnt about what I believe, or why I believe it, its about the fact that the islamic beliefs hate what america stands for. You dont have to believe in "nonsense" to understand that. I'm not asking you or anyone else to believe in God or allah, I'm telling you to OPEN your eyes and quit trying to attack me with your anti God agenda and hate.

Read the Koran, understand it, read the Bible, understand it, then realize what is going on in the world and realize I'm not talkin out my ass like you think I am.

In my personal experience, as a group, Christians are closed-minded, immoral, hateful, and stupid. I am probably holding a bit of that against you, but you are not saying anything to change my opinion.

In my personal experience, Muslims are intelligent and peaceful.

But none of that matters. This is not an issue. And you are not capable of being consistent from post to post, or even within the same post. Your mind is fuzzy with teh god.

Are you calling for the stoning of all Muslims? The burning of all mosques?

Posted by MutantMandias In my personal experience, as a group, Christians are closed-minded, immoral, hateful, and stupid. I am probably holding a bit of that against you, but you are not saying anything to change my opinion.

I'm sorry you have been exposed to people who "claim" to be Christains. Its pretty easy to mistake someone who knows the truth with being close minded.
Immoral??? WTF? Morals are derived from religious beliefs anyways. I've been called insane, but never stupid, ha!

Posted by MutantMandias In my personal experience, Muslims are intelligent and peaceful.

Until you dont conform to their beleifs when they want you to. Then its ka-fuckin-BOOM! Okay fine, not all muslims are suicide bombers, but all suicide (except for a small percent I'm sure) have islamic beliefs going through their head at the time of the explosion.

Posted by MutantMandias But none of that matters. This is not an issue. And you are not capable of being consistent from post to post, or even within the same post. Your mind is fuzzy with teh god.

Please explain how I'm inconsistant. There ya go again, attacking me because I believe in God. How are you any better than the "Christians" you just described as being hateful, oh wait...

Posted by MutantMandias Are you calling for the stoning of all Muslims? The burning of all mosques?

Um, yeah... I just dont want a damn islamic mosque in an area that that was destroyed by people following the commandments of allah, make sense? Oh wait, probably not, because that logic must be flawed since I believe in God.

Posted by Mr_Fiend There is a huge fundamental difference here. Christian beliefs do not support starting holy wars with "non believers", Islamic beliefs do. America is full of these evil "non believers". The Islamic belief system is totally against what this country stands for. Hell, we have "in God we trust" on our fuckin money, not "in allah we trust". We aren't on the same team. If you cant make the connection, pull your head out of your ass. I find it funny; people give Christians a hard time CONSTANTLY, but when the "peaceful" muslims decide to build a fuckin mosque at a site where innocent people died because of the specific religious beliefs of that said mosque, people suddenly get stupid! Fools! Let em build a damn mosque there, see what happens! I bet muslems are laughing their suicidal asses off right now because of how stupid "some" (I say some because the majority of americans are against a mosque being built) americans are. I'm done.

The kid who was almost my H.S. valedictorian was a special needs student (at the time SE classes counted the same as any other for class placement) who believed the moon landing was faked but big time 'wrasslin was real. He was, without doubt or question, the single most ignorant human being on the planet I had ever encountered in any fashion. Bar none.

Till now.
Mr_Fiend, you fail at being a failing failure.

Posted by underdark Till now. Mr_Fiend, you fail at being a failing failure.

Touching story. Oh I'm so hurt, really....

I love how I try to explain something and it turns into a personal attack, very typical. No one seems to be able to carry on a conversation with some sustenance here.

Posted by MutantMandias In my personal experience, Muslims are intelligent and peaceful.

In my experience the dickhead-to-normal ratio for most religions seems to be about the same with the exception of Scientologists, mormons,(higher) buddhists, and shintoists(lower).

Given some of the crap that goes on in muslim countries I'm thinking it is much higher on their home turf. A friend of mines father will tell anyone that asks that he came to this country because Syria is a hellhole populated by animals. He has never gone back. And never will to hear him tell it. I'll take his word for it.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Please explain how I'm inconsistant.

Okay. Will do.

The only way you could be consistent is to say is that we should kill all Muslims. I mean, they all want to kill us and destroy us and make us die and be dead and stuff, right? They have no other plans except lurking in their dark places with their dark skin and killing us dead.

If they can't have a fucking community center next door to a strip club, then by god they certainly can't be allowed to live in the same country as us, can they?

Posted by Mr_Fiend How are you any better than the "Christians" you just described as being hateful, oh wait...

I didn't say I was better than you. I just said you were stupid.

wow man, wow. Like Right on. Grooovy. Jesus fistfucking christ.

lol wow. These mosque discussions really turn into shit storms.

Ban baklava sales at ground zero!

Posted by Esoterik lol wow. These mosque discussions really turn into shit storms.

Leave it to americans right?

Posted by Mr_Fiend I love how I try to explain something and it turns into a personal attack, very typical. No one seems to be able to carry on a conversation with some sustenance here.

Sir, if the post I quoted before is your idea of "explaining something" as part of "a conversation with some sustenance" then I am the last king of Scotland.

But I already know the answer to that....

It isn't.
I'm not.
You still fail.

Please take this opportunity to enshrine your personal brand of nationalist fervor by commencing martyrdom operations against a true threat to our freedom. Might I suggest any legislator that voted for the USA PATRIOT act.
Thank you for your input.

You're attempting to associate Christianity with the twisted intentions of people who have their own ideas outside what God wants them to do. If you know how to compare and contrast Christian beliefs with islamic beliefs, and you look at the ACTUAL religious history of this country, and then you realize that they hate americans, then yes, you would be stupid for allowing that mosque to be built. There is a reason we have "in God we trust" on our money, do I really need to explain this anymore???

An Iranian Muslim woman I work with says that Yahweh (AKA God) and Allah are in fact the same dude. "Allah" translates as "God." I don't think it can be clearer than that. If you choose not to believe that, then I can't help you.

in the first paragraph above, you could just as easily substitute "Christianity" with "Islam." And if they hate Americans so much, why do they come here? Are they all moles, waiting for the "go" word from their Islamic overlord to start the jihad here? If you believe that, then I think you've gone off your medication. There are probably as many sects within Islam as there are within Christianity; to assume they all think as one is as foolish and wrong as to think all Christian sects think the same.

A couple more facts: there's already a mosque FOUR blocks from ground zero; the building they want to use for their CULTURAL CENTER is a former Burlington Coat Factory, hardly "hallowed ground."

The painful fact is that even if they do preach jihad, even if they do hate America, those activities are protected by the First Amendment. And if you don't think Christianity is a religion of hatred, you might want to re-read your posts.

Any belief that is so convinced of its own rightness and infallibility is dangerous.

Posted by splumer An Iranian Muslim woman I work with says that Yahweh (AKA God) and Allah are in fact the same dude. "Allah" translates as "God." I don't think it can be clearer than that. If you choose not to believe that, then I can't help you.

HA! She would! Of course allah tansaltes into "God", allah is the muslim god, but not the Christian God. Its not a choice that I believe that, its a fact. Allah is not an all loving merciful god, like the God of the Christians. Allah, is the muslims "alternative" god. Try asking Christians if the gods are the same. Muslims want us to think they have the same god so that their religion will be accepted.

Posted by splumer in the first paragraph above, you could just as easily substitute "Christianity" with "Islam." And if they hate Americans so much, why do they come here? Are they all moles, waiting for the "go" word from their Islamic overlord to start the jihad here? If you believe that, then I think you've gone off your medication. There are probably as many sects within Islam as there are within Christianity; to assume they all think as one is as foolish and wrong as to think all Christian sects think the same.

Haha, I dont think they are the borg collective or anything. I've just realized that their ultimate intentions are not peaceful. They are ultimately taught to destroy those who do not follow allah. Christians are taught to reach out and preach, not destroy those who wont accept their god. Thats a pretty big difference to me.

Posted by splumer The painful fact is that even if they do preach jihad, even if they do hate America, those activities are protected by the First Amendment. And if you don't think Christianity is a religion of hatred, you might want to re-read your posts.

Ha! The first amendment??? Its now considered "hate speach" for Christians to freely speek about their beliefs which encompass homosexuality as a sin. So much for the first amendment. Christianity teaches to hate sin, NOT the sinner (thought I covered this awhile ago). Islam teaches to hate Christians and non believers, so much that they are to kill them, almost sounds like a cult. I think its pretty obvious as to what their intentions are, why give them rights???

Posted by splumer Any belief that is so convinced of its own rightness and infallibility is dangerous.

Thats an odd statement. That could be applied to just about anything, even atheism.



As for the rest of you guys, well its 3 against 1 here, I'm not gonna even try to reason with ignorance.

Posted by Mr_Fiend There is a huge fundamental difference here. Christian beliefs do not support starting holy wars with "non believers", Islamic beliefs do.

True.

Except:

The Crusades
The Inquisition
The Salem Witch Trials
Any war that Great Britain or the US participated in where they insisted that god was on thier side.
The pope's war on the poor and the gay

and so on ad infinitum.

Posted by tekriter True. Except: The Crusades The Inquisition The Salem Witch Trials Any war that Great Britain or the US participated in where they insisted that god was on thier side. The pope's war on the poor and the gay and so on ad infinitum.

Good point! Those were things done in the name of "God". Of course no where in the bible does is say to kill witches, or start wars with people who wont except God. Those events were the result of "religious nuts", who yes, claimed to be Christians, but werent following the bible. The difference being God doesnt command His people to start a war with someone SIMPLY because they do not believe, that would be non peaceful actions, such as allah commands his followers to start war.

I have no intentions or desire to kill or harm anyone God considers a sinner, UNLESS they declare "war" on me first, that is not God's intentions (the Christians God). He loves His creation and wants to save it. Now willfully disobeying God is another story all together, He has a wrath, but it is justified. Unlike allah, who just simply hates anyone who doesnt follow him, yeah real peaceful.

Posted by Mr_Fiend HA! She would! Of course allah tansaltes into "God", allah is the muslim god, but not the Christian God. Its not a choice that I believe that, its a fact. Allah is not an all loving merciful god, like the God of the Christians. Allah, is the muslims "alternative" god. Try asking Christians if the gods are the same. Muslims want us to think they have the same god so that their religion will be accepted.

From Wikipedia:
Islam (Arabic: الإسلام‎ al-’islām, pronounced [ʔislæːm] ( listen)[note 1]) is the monotheistic religion articulated by the Qur’an, a text considered by its adherents to be the verbatim word of God (Arabic: الله‎, Allāh), and by the Prophet of Islam Muhammad's teachings and normative example (which is called the Sunnah in Arabic, and demonstrated in collections of Hadith). Islam literally means "submission (to God)."[1] Muslim, the word for an adherent of Islam, is the active participle of the same verb of which Islām is the infinitive (see Islam (term)).[2][3]

You have heard the term "Abrahamic religions" haven't you?

Haha, I dont think they are the borg collective or anything. I've just realized that their ultimate intentions are not peaceful. They are ultimately taught to destroy those who do not follow allah. Christians are taught to reach out and preach, not destroy those who wont accept their god. Thats a pretty big difference to me.

Extremists aren't representative of the religion as a whole, in Islam, Christianity, Judaism, or any other. If that was true, why hasn't Islam started a general war on the West? There are over a billion Muslims. That's pretty good odds.

Islam teaches to hate Christians and non believers, so much that they are to kill them, almost sounds like a cult. I think its pretty obvious as to what their intentions are, why give them rights???

How do you know this? Have you ever attended a Muslim worship service? Why give them rights? Because they're Americans. Or, even if they're not Americans, when on American soil, the Constitution applies to you. Funny how that works.

Thats an odd statement. That could be applied to just about anything, even atheism.

Absolutely. But there is a difference between believing something is correct, and that believing something is incapable of error. I believe Richard Dawkins is correct, but I don't think he is incapable of error.

Posted by Mr_Fiend HA! She would! Of course allah tansaltes into "God", allah is the muslim god, but not the Christian God. Its not a choice that I believe that, its a fact. Allah is not an all loving merciful god, like the God of the Christians. Allah, is the muslims "alternative" god. Try asking Christians if the gods are the same. Muslims want us to think they have the same god so that their religion will be accepted.

Do you really not realize that it is the same god? That Judaism, Islam, and Christianity all come from the same roots and the same religious texts?

Do you not realize that today's "Christianity" is in no way connected to its roots and origins? That, at best, today's Christianity could be characterized as the bastard, mutant offspring of a raped schizophrenic and a tyrant?

Posted by Mr_Fiend Christians are taught to reach out and preach, not destroy those who wont accept their god.

Except when it is profitable.

Posted by Mr_Fiend I think its pretty obvious as to what their intentions are, why give them rights???

Okay. I'm gonna go there.

Hitler.

Posted by Mr_Fiend As for the rest of you guys, well its 3 against 1 here, I'm not gonna even try to reason with ignorance.

That's exactly what you have been doing... trying to "reason," but you are prevented by your ignorance. You've made a good first step by realizing that is useless.