Posted by Mr_Fiend Fixed, I agree ;)

Sigh.

Posted by Oryx Sigh.

When we're all living under shaira law you women won't be so mouthy!

Posted by Esoterik When we're all living under shaira law you women won't be so mouthy!

I laughed. Then I wondered if people in other countries made the same joke.

To say that christianity and it's teachings have not been used to incite intolerance and violence requires an encyclopedic ignorance of history.

Having said that, there has been a reformation combined with a huge increase in the standard of living in x-tian countries accounting for a decline in religious violence. The potential is still there as long as people make allowances for unreasonable ideas.

Islam on the other hand, has had no such reformation and the standard of living in most muslim parts of the world is far lower. The koran is also, verse for verse, the most violent of all "sacred" texts. It would be wrong to say most muslims are terrorists or want to blow themselves up, but it would also be wrong to say that islam is a religion of peace. Transnational terrorism is now almost exclusively an islamic problem.

The so called moderates (who have clearly not read thier own text)insist that islam is peaceful only provide cover and legitimacy for "true" or fundamentalism muslims who believe that unbelievers are subhuman and insist that the path to righteousness is expeditionary and that the ends justify the means.

The other side of the freedom of religion coin is that jihad will be taught in Amerika. Freedom from religion starts to look better after every explosion.

Read the following if you doubt the above. This is the abridged violence of the koran. (and before someone asks, I have read the entire koran, I have attended prayers at a mosque, visited four islamic countries and spent two years living in an islamic state)

2:190-193 "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you ... And slay them wherever ye catch them ... And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in God ..."

2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth and ye know not."

2:224 "Then fight in the cause of God and know that God heareth and knoweth all things."

3:157-158 "And if ye are slain or die in the way of God, forgiveness and mercy from God are far better than all they could amass. And if ye die, or are slain, Lo! It is unto God that ye are brought together."

3:169 "Think not of those who are slain in God's way as dead. Nay, they live finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord."

3:195 "... Those who have ... fought or been slain, verily I will blot out from them their iniquities and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath; a reward from the presence of God ..."

4:101 "... For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."

4:74, 75 "Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of God whether he is slain or gets victory, soon shall we give him a reward of great (value). Those who believe fight in the cause of God and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil, so fight ye against the friends of Satan, feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."

4:89 "They but wish that ye should reject faith as they do, and thus be on the same footing as they. But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of God. But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them…"

4:95 "Not equal are those believers who sit at (at home) and receive no hurt and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than those who sit (at home).

5:36 "The punishment of those who wage war against God and His apostle and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter."

5:54 "O ye who believe. Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust."

8:12-17 "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them. This because they contend against God and his apostle. If any contend against God and his apostle, God is strict in punishment ... O ye who believe. When ye meet the unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day, unless it be a stratagem of war ... he draws on himself the wrath of God and his abode is Hell, an evil refuge (indeed)."

8:59-60 "Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly). They will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know ..."

8:65 "O apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred. If a hundred they will vanquish a thousand of the unbelievers, for these are a people without understanding."

9:5 "... fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ..."

9:14 "Fight them, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame ..."

9:29 "Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and his apostle nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay the Jizya [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

47:4 "Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks, at length when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them) ... but if it had been God's will, he could certainly have exacted retribution from them (himself), but (he lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of God, he will never let their deeds be lost."

61:4 "Truly God loves those who fight in His cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."


The best is 3:169. It was quoted by Osama bin Laden to justify 9/11 in his letter to America.

Posted by tekriter Islam on the other hand, has had no such reformation and the standard of living in most muslim parts of the world is far lower.... Transnational terrorism is now almost exclusively an islamic problem.

The key point is not religion. It is the standard of living. Religion is used, as all religions always are, to manipulate people into doing stupid things to server other people's selfish interests.

Great post, Tek. Very informative. The quote bin Laden used isn't that far off from the Christian belief in the afterlife.

I think the real problem is taking it literally (of course, as the verbatim word of God, I guess you'd have to). For example, 2:190 could be taken metaphorically, meaning "slay" their unbelief. Also, it says "God" not Islam, so, presumably, the order to wage war would only include non-believers, not Christians or Jews. 5:54 doesn't say to kill them, just not to have them as friends.

All in all, though, it doesn't seem all that different from Christianity.

"Watch in horror and amazement as this mob of lily-white imbeciles at a ground zero protest today latch onto an unfortunate brown skinned fellow with the wrong kind of hat. Dark days, people."

http://www.dangero...y_opinion_on_shit/

Dumb motherfuckers, indeed.

Posted by splumer Also, it says "God" not Islam, so, presumably, the order to wage war would only include non-believers, not Christians or Jews. 5:54 doesn't say to kill them, just not to have them as friends. All in all, though, it doesn't seem all that different from Christianity.

EXCEPT, the islamic god "allah", is NOT the god of the Christians. They hate the Jews and the Christians for a reason ya know.

Posted by splumer I think the real problem is taking it literally (of course, as the verbatim word of God, I guess you'd have to). For example, 2:190 could be taken metaphorically, meaning "slay" their unbelief. Also, it says "God" not Islam, so, presumably, the order to wage war would only include non-believers, not Christians or Jews. 5:54 doesn't say to kill them, just not to have them as friends.

1:6 Show us the straight path,
1:7 The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.

Muslims generally interpret "those whom Allah has favored," "those who earn Allah's anger," and "those who go astray" as Muslims, Jews, and Christians, respectively.

The majority of muslims believe that they are worshipping the same god as x-tians and jews, but that the latter have gone astray.

In Islam, unbelief is bad, but Apostacy is a capital offence.

Some sunni muslims actually call shi'a muslims infidels. Hence a large part of the violence and poverty in the mideast.

absolutely - it all boils down to interpretation. x-tians have been misinterpreting the bible for centuries causing untold suffering to their fellow humans.

Makes you wonder if somehow we should be demanding a higher standard of evidence for certain claims about the nature of the universe, doesn't it?

Posted by tekriter Makes you wonder if somehow we should be demanding a higher standard of evidence for certain claims about the nature of the universe, doesn't it?

Nah, why would we do that?

Posted by Mr_Fiend EXCEPT, the islamic god "allah", is NOT the god of the Christians. They hate the Jews and the Christians for a reason ya know.

No.

Christianity began as a sect of Judaism in the 1st century AD and is one of four Abrahamic religions.

Abrahamic religion is the designation used for monotheistic faiths emphasizing and tracing their common origin to Abraham.

Jews, Christians, and Muslims consider him father of the people of Israel.

The koran mentions jesus 25 times and for Muslims, Abraham is a prophet of Islam and the ancestor of Muhammad.

They all worship the same god and view him as the source of creation and certain retarded moral codes.

The others view christianity as having messed up the idea of god with the moronic idea of the trinity and worshiping the jesus like a god too.

That's why the muslims are so sensitive about pictures of mohammed - he is not a god (just a prophet) and should not be pictured and worshipped like the jesus people do.

Go get some books and read up on this stuff a little. They are free at the library - even in the bible belt.

What's the fourth? Judaism, Christianity, Islam and...?

Ok, seriously, no. Just because two DIFFERENT religions have people with the same name, such as "god", does not mean its the same person.

I have read. The god of islam, and THE God of Christians, are two very different gods. Their intentions are different, their expectations of their followers are different, their commandments are different, one has a son named Jesus, the other doesnt. One rewards you with virgins in heaven, one does not. Allah is a distant and non personal god, the God of the Christians is a personal God that lives in your spirit. Allah is not a trinity, The Christian God is.

According to the Koran, "god" created the earth and DID not rest. In the bible God, created the earth and rested on the 7th day.

The Christian God says to love your neighbors, the islamic god "allah" says to start wars.

Dont feed anyone that bullshit, they are NOT the same god, period!

Posted by splumer What's the fourth? Judaism, Christianity, Islam and...?

B'hai

Posted by Mr_Fiend Ok, seriously, no. Just because two DIFFERENT religions have people with the same name, such as "god", does not mean its the same person. I have read. The god of islam, and THE God of Christians, are two very different gods. Their intentions are different, their expectations of their followers are different, their commandments are different, one has a son named Jesus, the other doesnt. One rewards you with virgins in heaven, one does not. Allah is a distant and non personal god, the God of the Christians is a personal God that lives in your spirit. Allah is not a trinity, The Christian God is. According to the Koran, "god" created the earth and DID not rest. In the bible God, created the earth and rested on the 7th day. The Christian God says to love your neighbors, the islamic god "allah" says to start wars. Dont feed anyone that bullshit, they are NOT the same god, period!

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Posted by tekriter On a side note, a poll noted in several daily papers today suggests that 1 in 5 americans think Obama is a muslim. Awesome.

Just a quick side note:

nicely done.

But his name sounds like a terrorizer, so he must be one. And it says so in the bible.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Way off on both, way off. The principles and intentions behind both of those gods are quite different. Allah commands his followers to make war with unbelievers, God (the father of Jesus, of which allah is not) does not.

Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all Abrahamic religions, meaning that they all reference the same God. Modern Arabic Christians refer to God as "Allah", too.

Posted by Mr_Fiend They want to die for allah so they can get their virgins in heaven (which of course doesnt make sense since sex/virgins are physical fleshly thing not associated with spirits, thats one reason why its bull shit).

Yeah... and the Christians believe that praying to a piece of wood will give them eternal life. Some Christians believe that consuming wine is drinking blood. Any questions?