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 Pravus
 
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
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<Reply # 40 on 12/31/2005 6:29 AM >
|  | | | So I tried making a key for Schlage locks.. only apparently the key I have is one pin longer (6pin) then all the locks I have found as of yet.. so the key sticks out alot so I dunno if thats gunna help me much.. Kind of annoying me though that I made a key but can't find a lock....
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seany
    
Location: Santa Clara, California, USA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 41 on 1/1/2006 7:12 PM >
| | | | I made one for a master lock this last evening... it works too well..
now i need some more blanks.
Any ideas on getting best blanks? (mcmaster has a bunch, but they don't have pictures of them so i have no idea what i'm ordering)
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MindHacker
Location: Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 42 on 1/2/2006 4:42 AM >
|  | | | The one on mcmasters is the same as url]http://www.mysecur...IEWPROD&ProdID=322[/url] This one. With what looks to be a different head but similar rest is http://shop.store....bestkeyblanks.html which is an off-brand clone. If you want 50 of them that is. I will be putting in an order / buying some at a local hardware store, so if you (or anyone) want some, let me know and we will see if we can work something out.
[last edit 5/10/2008 12:18 AM by SaraBellum - edited 1 times]
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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seany
Location: Santa Clara, California, USA
Gender: Male
| | | | | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 43 on 1/2/2006 6:12 AM >
| | | | you only have to get 10 @ mcmaster...
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MindHacker
Location: Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 44 on 1/2/2006 9:47 PM >
| | | | I found the BEST blanks at the local true-value hardware store. I got 5 for $6.25 (real, american, dollars). Don't look for BEST, just BE2 (BE8 has a wrong-sized slit on the one side). As far as the blanks for the core-removing version, I have no idea where one would get that.
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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Mark
 
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 45 on 1/2/2006 10:50 PM >
| | | | Can one of you mast locksmiths give us an idiots guide on how to make these, for say a few best locks etc. Maybe a few photos of already done keys next to some scale.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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MindHacker
Location: Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 46 on 1/3/2006 3:06 AM >
| | | | When i make mine (should be this week) Ill get up some pics. As for the guide? google. Basically you mark where the pins will touch (look at a key and note the places where it goes flat. ,-._/=`--- would have 5 of them (its a game, find them) should be 5 or 6. Then you file the key down so that it is at its lowest slot out of all the flats @ each of these spots, leaving ridges inbetween. File the shoulder of the key (the I in .====I() ) back a few mm, and the tip a few mm. It should look like _._._._._.- on the top. See the pics earlier in the thread. or in the other thread. no lo recuerdo. To learn the bump, watch the vid, but its basically a tap with something and a timed twist. takes a bit of practice.
Edit: A tap with a twist or a tap with the proper torquing tension at the same time
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"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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Team Leader
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Location: Uptown,downtown,all around.
Gender: Male
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 47 on 1/3/2006 7:08 AM >
|  | | | Sorta cheating I guess, but this site has some gear and will ship to anyone anywhere. Look under accessories for lock picking equipment. But indeed this thread is a gem. Apologies if I am not supposed to put this kind of link up. T.L.
http://www.knifezilla.com/
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 48 on 1/3/2006 1:00 PM >
| | | | This is where having some more lock picking skills would help. I appreciate the info, and will try to attempt making some soon.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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res_novae
Location: NoVA
Gender: Male
| | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 49 on 1/3/2006 11:29 PM >
| | | | Theres a site called Lockpicking 101, its a forum, goes all into how to make lockpicks out of hacksaw blades (seems kind of difficult, but I just bought 12 blades, so I'll give it a shot), and goes over all sorts of lock picking and stuff.
Check it out, its got good info.
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Redknight
Location: Missouri
Gender: Male
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 50 on 1/4/2006 4:57 AM >
| | | | I bought a Master padlock tonight and *whooosh* made a working bumpkey. It took me two keys to get it right and much pounding, but I eventually bumped it. Its ugly as sin, but Im triumphant!
  
Edit: After popping the lock many times, wearing the key and getting the hang of it, I now open it with 2-3 hits of my screwdriver, sometimes only one hit.
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JimBoylan
Location: SouthEast Pennsylvania, U. S. of A.
Gender: Male
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 51 on 1/4/2006 1:43 PM >
| | | | | Posted by Redknight |
The number 3371 on this pictured key is the code number, you use a list
in a code book to find the numbers of the depths of the cuts. It's just a
coincidence that this key with 4 cuts has a 4 digit code number. Other brands
may actually put the depth numbers on their keys. Other sources of information,
like a "Depth & Space Book", will tell you the dimensions, or how deep you file
the cut for each depth number. Some more expensive key cutting by code
machines will do the conversions for you, and there are also patterns or depth
key sets, which can be copied, one cut at a time.
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Pravus
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| | | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 52 on 1/4/2006 3:37 PM >
| | | | I can't remember if the numbers are back to front or front to back.. but either way that can't be the code for a code cutting machine because the first two in either way aren't the same
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Redknight
Location: Missouri
Gender: Male
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 53 on 1/4/2006 10:32 PM >
| | | | Lol I think youre missing the point. Those three photos are the key I made, from the key that came with the lock on the right as I modified it into a bumpkey. The number may have well been the cuts, but it doesnt matter, the key will now open master padlocks with any different pin combo.
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MindHacker
Location: Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 54 on 1/5/2006 5:00 AM >
| | | | Redknight.... Do you favor tension or a sudden twist? Im half way through mine. Found out my school uses be8 not be2 which required alot of dremel time. Sucks. But its coming along so Ill post pics when i get it working.
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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tunnelbug
Location: California
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 55 on 1/5/2006 10:23 PM >
| | | | Has anyone seen the PDF at http://www.hawleylock.com? There's a complete bump key set on it. I haven't gotten around to attempting a buy, but I wonder if that would come in handy. Somebody let me know if they have success with the set. Here's a screenshot.
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grit1
Location: University Campus - Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Got Shear Line?
| | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 56 on 1/20/2006 4:24 PM >
| | | | Wow, I've been "gone" for a while - much discussion on this. Too much working over semester break!
So anyway, yeah Hawley lock and key seems like a really good supplier of locksmith tools. I have found a good place to get blanks is just from your hardware store, but only if they stock Ilco keys, or manufacturer originals because I'm picky. Whenever possible I try to obtain the highest quality blanks made of the strongest material, especially for bumping.
Lockpicking101.com is a GREAT forum, anybody interested in this stuff should join as there is a wealth of knowledge on that site about every lock hack imaginable.
BE2, BE8 etc are reproduction abbreviations for a different sort of keyway delineation that is used for BEST originals. BEST categorizes their keyways by single and double letter combinations. The double letter combinations are their formerly patented controlled blanks, now being mass-produced due to the expiration of their patent - hence the new KABA Peaks locks. BE2 is synonomus to the "A" keyway, I'm not sure what BE8 is. A is one of the more common keyways, but others are prevalent as well.
Bump keys are amazing in how no matter what shape you cut, so long as you're close it will wear in and eventually work. You should also be wary of the fact that bumping the same lock over and over again will damage the pins slightly.
Master padlocks and many other manufacturers use a code system, where the code stamped on the key is a numerical sequence that corresponds to a bitting pattern in a code book. Those code books are hard to find if you don't know where to look. If I were going to buy one I'd be looking at locksmith supply houses. I've seen many other manufacturers use direct-bitting stamping on keys, including Schlage keys for consumer use and some Kwikset and clones. In some poorly designed master-key systems the keys are delineated by code, which is of course a bad idea [for them, not for us] because you could write down the number and have a key cut anytime. Institutional locksmiths will also use their own code books to come up with change and master keys for a large system.
~Grit.
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Pulaski
Gender: Male
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 57 on 1/22/2006 2:25 AM >
| | | | has anyone made a bumpkey for Yale locks? and if so could you post a picture of it?
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bumpkey
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 58 on 3/23/2006 9:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by grit1
This made me laugh - I thought I was on some sleezy porn site for a second!
Bump keys are a good idea - they work on the same principal as a pick gun, but with more precision. A pick gun has the problem of needle alignment, lock orientation and snap tension because it is designed to work in [almost] all locks and keyways. With bump keys, you can make, in a sense, a sort of "pick gun" for just that keyway out of a keyblank, as bsidez said, cut really deeply. To make these cuts you need to have either a key code cutter, a key duplicator with depth keys or a steady hand with a file / dremel tool or similar precision grinder. The code cutter is best, but be prepared to spend upwards of $1200 on a code cutting machine. I haven't personally tried bump keys, but it is on my list of things to putz around with. The disadvantage to them being that you have to pound on the lock a little, which can damage the plug and create a lot of noise - so although it may be more effective then the pick gun, it's as loud or louder. Give it a try and see what you think of this technique. E-bay is a great place to find keyblanks. ~Grit.
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here is a clip of me bumping a lock http://youtube.com/watch?v=WexoP5ZDWgg
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lasthourstand
Location: Syracuse, NY
Gender: Male
You've got head pigeons!
| | | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 59 on 3/24/2006 2:06 PM >
| | | | To anyone who's interested in finding key blanks:
http://cgi.ebay.co...m#ebayphotohosting
And there's a whole bunch more for cheap prices.
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