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 Deuterium
     
Location: PNW
Gender: Male
 |  | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 80 on 12/1/2006 5:59 AM >
|  | | | Posted by grit1
Bump keys can very easily damage a lock if you bump that lock too much - the same way that a pick gun, or even manual scrubbing with too much force can. As in any lock picking situation, thinks can happen like master pins falling out into the keyway, getting the plug stuck 180[deg] from shear etc. Watch what you do.
Your home-made bump keys get stuck because there is an angle that is too sharp for the pins to ride on. You can make a key of death the same way - make it so there is a 30[deg] leading angle but the trailing angle is 90[deg]. The pin will get locked into the cut and won't release, no matter how hard you try pulling.
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wow long time no post grit
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MindHacker
Location: Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 81 on 12/2/2006 5:18 AM >
| | | | First: The damage of picking... If done *very* carefully, it is no more than that of using a key. But typically, minimal, especially with a vigorous scrubbing.
Bumpkeys, if done imperfectly, can really eff up your lock. Last years dorm room lock that I tried to learn bumping on? Barely worked by the end of the year. I'm pretty sure I effed up some depths a bit, but still. Barely worked w/ the key.
German, scottish, english, irish, bit 'ah welsh, and then some. I just say mutt most of the time though.
Butane or freon or w/e.... still destructive, and while better than a crow bar, still isn't ideal.
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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Phearim
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 82 on 12/4/2006 4:37 PM >
| | | | Posted by MindHacker
First: The damage of picking... If done *very* carefully, it is no more than that of using a key. But typically, minimal, especially with a vigorous scrubbing.
Bumpkeys, if done imperfectly, can really eff up your lock. Last years dorm room lock that I tried to learn bumping on? Barely worked by the end of the year. I'm pretty sure I effed up some depths a bit, but still. Barely worked w/ the key.
German, scottish, english, irish, bit 'ah welsh, and then some. I just say mutt most of the time though.
Butane or freon or w/e.... still destructive, and while better than a crow bar, still isn't ideal.
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Largely I was just looking for mentality of permissibilitys of such items. It's not so much I dissagree with either or method. Although I've not the chance to post anything, I have however used such destructive elements reprisenting crowbars for entry in some places. I largely perfer not to use such things not so much for the damage to the place, but more or less for the bait factor that, yes some one is in here or has tried!
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Air
 
Location: Canada
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 83 on 12/9/2006 6:48 AM >
| | | | Posted by bsidez
I want to share this video with you, it is shot at Whatthehack last august.
It explains what bumpkeys are and how to make them.
Bumpkeys are keys that are cut very deep and the shoulder and top of the keys are shortened. With this key and a "bumper" it is possible to open almost any lock of that kind. Get keys of the most popular locks (10-15) and 75-80% of all locks will open in a few seconds.
In this video (shot by Toool) you learn what basic lockpicking is, and you learn how to make bumpkeys (live done on an American lock) the language spoken is English. The movie is quite big (461 mb!) and lasts 97 minutes. The bumpkey making part is around the hour.
I hope you enjoy this one, and realize not much locks are safe.
http://connectmedi...ol/whatthebump.wmv (right click save ass)
If you want to see a short version of what it is all about check this:
http://www.toool.nl/bumpkey-alert.wmv
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Thanks bsidez, another great link!
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Deuterium
Location: PNW
Gender: Male
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 84 on 12/16/2006 3:44 PM >
| | | | I've watched numerous bump key technique on youtube and also on medeco.com. Tried just like they explained and I haven't had any luck.
I started with a properly cut 999 key, a matching ilco blank with code machine cuts.
I tried using the handle of tools, Maglite, etc while applying slight turning torque. After a few dozen tries, I didn't get anywhere, so I altered the tip to let it go into the keyway further. Still, no luck.
Cylinder:
After repeated failure, using a proper control key, I removed the cylinder from the padlock and discovered the bump keying attempt bent out the tip stop plate and one of the rivets holding it in place.
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Mr.Coffee
Location: Coming to a theatre near you!
Gender: Male
Everyone agrees, I'm Rad.
| |  |  | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 85 on 12/18/2006 6:01 AM >
| | | | Posted by Deuterium
After repeated failure, using a proper control key, I removed the cylinder from the padlock and discovered the bump keying attempt bent out the tip stop plate and one of the rivets holding it in place.
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Man, how hard did you hit that thing? You only need to modify the tip and shoulder a little bit, your key may be hitting too deep to work.
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Deuterium
Location: PNW
Gender: Male
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 86 on 12/18/2006 7:03 AM >
| | | | Posted by Mr.Coffee
Man, how hard did you hit that thing? You only need to modify the tip and shoulder a little bit, your key may be hitting too deep to work.
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Best locks are different. In most locks, the shoulder stops how far the key can enter the cylinder. On Best IC cylinder, the notch on the front of the key stops on that metal plate, which is way more fragile than the face of the core bump key stops on with other locks.
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Nightskye
Location: Southern Maine
Gender: Male
| |  | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 87 on 12/18/2006 1:45 PM >
|  | | | Posted by Chainsaw
I wonder if carrying a set of bump keys would be considered "breaking and entering tools" and lead to possible charges if you're caught trespassing with them on your person.
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Yes, you do need to be careful with these, and all other lock devices. Most states have provisions for "burglar's tools", and they are not friendly - usually an automatic bump up to a felony if you are caught with them.
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grit1
Location: University Campus - Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Got Shear Line?
| | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 88 on 12/18/2006 7:11 PM >
| | | | Bump keys would be hard to prove though - there is nothing illegal about having a 999 key, in fact it is entirely possible a real lock could be keyed that way! Even extra filing off of the tip or shoulder isn't enough, as some locksmiths will make these modifications to make their system unique or difficult to duplicate. The commercially made bump hammers on the other hand would be harder to explain.
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Clockwork
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
I WILL KILL THIS MONKEY! I'M CRAZY!
| | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 89 on 12/18/2006 8:43 PM >
| | | | Man, you guys should really listen to Grit. He's an evil genius!
I've explored with him numerous times and consider him a close friend. I've personally seen him work stunning magic on locks. His skill is remarkable. His knowlege is vast. He is an invaluable member of the urbex community, and holds a level of expertise in the lockpicking arts that most of us can only dream of. I know it sounds like I'm just hyping him up, but DAMN!!! You should see this guy work! It will astound you!
That said, I need to spend some time this spring learning from the master. Grit has taught me a lot about locks (compared to what little I knew previously), but I still don't understand them. Nor have I taken the time to practice basic techniques. That all needs to change soon, as I was thwarted by several basic locks this past week during scouting some sites. With even a basic understanding of lockpicking, perhaps I could gain a useful skill!
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grit1
Location: University Campus - Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Got Shear Line?
| | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 90 on 12/18/2006 11:04 PM >
| | | | Thanks Matt, I really appreciate it - know though that I am thwarted by any lock within the state of Iowa for some reason - they're like kryptonite [not the lock brand, those are easy].
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ejr8568
Location: Fuckin' NYC!
Gender: Male
| | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 91 on 12/27/2006 7:31 PM >
| | | | i just purchased a set of 10 bump-keys. it says the shoulders and tips are not modified so i will have to learn how to do this on my own. this is my first attempt at "lockpicking" so hopefully i wont fuck anything up but hey for $9.99 a set who cares?
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CellarDweller
Location: Rochester, NY - South Wedge
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 92 on 3/7/2007 3:55 AM >
| | | | Posted by bsidez
I want to share this video with you, it is shot at Whatthehack last august.
It explains what bumpkeys are and how to make them.
Bumpkeys are keys that are cut very deep and the shoulder and top of the keys are shortened. With this key and a "bumper" it is possible to open almost any lock of that kind. Get keys of the most popular locks (10-15) and 75-80% of all locks will open in a few seconds.
In this video (shot by Toool) you learn what basic lockpicking is, and you learn how to make bumpkeys (live done on an American lock) the language spoken is English. The movie is quite big (461 mb!) and lasts 97 minutes. The bumpkey making part is around the hour.
I hope you enjoy this one, and realize not much locks are safe.
http://connectmedi...ol/whatthebump.wmv (right click save ass)
If you want to see a short version of what it is all about check this:
http://www.toool.nl/bumpkey-alert.wmv
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Brilliant topic and in my opinion, bump keys are the greatest advance in the field of Urban Exploration since the internet. They're cheap, small, readily available, fairly easy to master, discreet, and non-destructive.
Thought I'd share a few personal discoveries with bump keys.
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in my experience, they never damage the lock if used properly, as it doesn't take a lot of force, just a skilled hand to bump a lock.
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One common quote about bumping is that "the most expensive locks are the easiest to bump open", I think this observation comes from the fact that a newer or well maintained lock opens easier than an older one with tarnish and corrosion. The pins move easier and the plug turns readily when properly lubricated. Simple rule to increase your likelihood of getting a lock open quickly(particularly with old locks in abandoned spots):
LUBE THE LOCK WELL WITH GRAPHITE POWDER!!
Do this while reconnoitering the site if you can, as this will also give you an idea of which keys to bring when you decide to enter. Avoid WD40 or other oils if at all possible as these do not work as well as graphite powder for a few reasons, but they'll do very well in a pinch.
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Another major concern is the worry that if caught, your bump keys will be seen as burglar tools, which could "bump" up your violation of trespassing into a hefty felony charge.
Remedy: Carry properly cut bump keys, purchased online or made with a machine, etc. A hokey-looking file-marked key will stand out more readily should you be caught and searched. Also, remember the lesson from Edgar Allen Poe's "The Purloined Letter", the best hiding place is often right out in the open and among the masses. Carrying the bare minimum of bump keys and putting them on a normal looking keychain along with other keys will make them less likely to stand out. I don't think(but I could be wrong) that bump keys are in the greater public awareness yet, including some police. Don't bother with those custom "Bumping mallets" either. People may swear by them, but thats probably because they learned on them. You don't need them and it's too obviously used for that intention.
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Make some copies of your bump key set if you can. If you're in impending danger, just ditch the keys where they won't be found. It's not like an expensive pick set or pick gun you don't want to part with!
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Kind of obvious, but practice your ass off! Being skilled with your tools and having your lock cleaned and lubricated before will make all the difference. You could bump a lock open in a very public space with little chance of being caught if you're clever and confident about it ;)
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drkarst
Location: Dayton, Ohio
Gender: Male
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 93 on 3/8/2007 6:16 PM >
| | | | Posted by CellarDweller
Thought I'd share a few personal discoveries with bump keys.
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One common quote about bumping is that "the most expensive locks are the easiest to bump open",
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I've heard this stated before and although I beleive this to be probably true. But I must confess I have not found this to be the case for myself. I can bump locks successfully on those standard Schlage, Sargent, Yale, Master Padlocks and such, but trying our BEST locks here at the college I have had VERY LITTLE success.
I proably have had an accumalative time of three hours of trying with various keys and cores (old and new). I was only able to turn the key but ONCE!
I have PM-ed Grit a little in the past and can attest to his knowledge of locks and locksmithing. I have learned a few things from him too. Sooo Grit, what gives? What is the secreat to bumping BEST locks?
Posted by CellarDweller
Don't bother with those custom "Bumping mallets" either. People may swear by them, but thats probably because they learned on them. You don't need them and it's too obviously used for that intention.
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I have been pretty successful with a piece of hardwood that resembles a stick. I agree you don't need the fancy hammers.
Posted by CellarDweller
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Make some copies of your bump key set if you can. If you're in impending danger, just ditch the keys where they won't be found. It's not like an expensive pick set or pick gun you don't want to part with!
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Kind of obvious, but practice your ass off! Being skilled with your tools and having your lock cleaned and lubricated before will make all the difference. You could bump a lock open in a very public space with little chance of being caught if you're clever and confident about it ;)
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All very true.
Great comments about a great thread.
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Sketchbag
Location: North Vancouver
Gender: Male
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 94 on 4/18/2007 6:06 PM >
| | | | This just blew my mind. Decided I'd make one just for shits n giggles. Didn't think it would works. About 20 minutes of hacking with my file and I have the most haggard key I have ever seen. The points are in the wrong position, one groove is waaay too deep. Tossed in my lock... Smack once.. nothing, Smack twice... nothing, third? fourth? fifth? nothing. Sixth? WHAM I'm in.... Seriously I don't feel safe anymore lol... But more importantly, neither should abandonments bwahahahaha.
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Oh, and yeah I noticed that the bump-key method does damage the lock a bit. The first lock I was using (A Kwikset Doorknob, about $30) The key made a small impression above the keyway where the trimmed shoulder hits upon impact. I only hit the lock about 6-7 times and a small impression was visible. If I keep whackin away at this thing I'm sure there'll be more damage.
[last edit 4/18/2007 6:29 PM by Sketchbag - edited 1 times]
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vic_vr6
Location: portland, or
Gender: Male
disco stu doesnt advertise.
| | | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 95 on 4/23/2007 2:27 AM >
| | | | this is why i made mine out of the cheapest key possible. cheap keys use soft-er metals which will not damage a lock cylinder as easy as keys made of harder metals.
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Jannx
Location: on Location
Gender: Male
stay low
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 96 on 6/2/2007 5:57 AM >
| | | | I think the Dutch should come over here and give seminars.. maybe we should hold a Dutch Opex - humour!
ue.. it ain't what it usta be... |
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tomcatkb
Location: San Diego, CA
Gender: Male
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 97 on 7/29/2007 5:53 AM >
| | | | When i was stationed on the ship as a seaman, we would use a tool called a marlinspike to open locks. its a 8- 16 inch round spike with a flat head on one end and tapers down to a flat screwdriver like point used for working rope. most of the time it would break the lock but once you got the hang of it it was nothing to just pop one open then reclose it...we used to practice on our racks when we locked our keys in it (which happened often). some people would use it to break into other peoples lockers which was not cool. the main reason we did it was in case of a fire or shipboard emergency wed have to pop stuff open. not the intended use of a spike but very handy if you had access to such a thing. i wouldnt recommend it really for UE because it looks far too close to some type of weapon and theyre dangerous to just carry around. Plus i dont think anyone is going to be splicing 10" double braid rope during a run 
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slobrummer
Location: Sacramento, CA / San Luis Obispo, CA
Gender: Male
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 98 on 7/29/2007 11:25 AM >
| | | | homemade bump keys aren't bad when you follow the manufacturer's tech specs and make them on a mill, grit. I've been going to lockpicking101 for years, but I'm new here so I'm glad someone else beat me to it. If anyone wants more info on best keys, that'd be my specialty of knowledge. Took me forever to get my old high schools master key system figured out.
Also, people have mentioned bumpkeys on ebay, but ebay banned them. Usually you'll find bump keys without the shoulder/tip stop filed down thus completing the steps to making a bump key. Tunnelbug, definitely do not spend 40 bucks + on that set. Plus most places require you to be a locksmith granted I haven't seen that many that check but it's a risk. Not allowed to send them through the mail to someone other then a locksmith/LEO/auto repo person.
Just wish I had more skill at actually lock picking. Granted most of the practice I've done was on some best cores I own and those aren't the easiest to pick. I even tried with one of the Icore tension tools.
Oh and the comments about the Dutch coming over... TOOOL (lock picking group) does a demo/display at Defcon which is happening in a couple weeks in Vegas. Wish I were going, but next year, I definitely will be. They usually show off bump key techniques and have competitions for picking.
[last edit 7/29/2007 11:27 AM by slobrummer - edited 1 times]
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Zehuti
Location: Fremont, California
Gender: Male
Now if I just had a map.. ahh screw it, left it is.
| |  | | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 99 on 10/18/2007 4:27 PM >
| | | | I thought this was a brilliant find when I saw it yesterday, so I attempted making some home-made ones. I spent no more than $5 on a file and blanks, unfortunately home depot didn't have any square files, so I got a triangular one. About an hour of watching that toool video while filing (I get distracted easily...) I had my bumpkey and I was able to open the door to the roof of my apartment complex :)
It took about 10 bumps, but hey, it works!
It's not my intention to quote the toool guy, but I really couldn't believe how simple it is.
I am by no means 'experienced', though if anyone needs some help getting theirs to work, let me know.
Top is the bumpkey, bottom is the original, sorry for the quality.
Edit: Forgot a comma
[last edit 10/18/2007 4:28 PM by Zehuti - edited 1 times]
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