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 Pravus
 
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
 |  |  |  | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 60 on 3/25/2006 2:21 PM >
|  | | | How hard do you hafta wack the bump? I start to feel like I'm goin to break something... also doesn't help I have a 6Pin kay tryin to bump 5 pin locks..
Live to Serve, Serve to Live.. |
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MindHacker
 
Location: Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 61 on 3/26/2006 5:54 AM >
| | | | a 6 will NOT bump a 5. It just won't line up to jump the right pins at the right times.
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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Pravus
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| | | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 62 on 3/26/2006 8:27 PM >
| | | | Posted by MindHacker
a 6 will NOT bump a 5. It just won't line up to jump the right pins at the right times.
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Hrm.. Since then I dug up a bunch of other 5-pin keys, hopefully I'll get this working..
Live to Serve, Serve to Live.. |
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grit1
Location: University Campus - Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Got Shear Line?
| | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 63 on 3/26/2006 8:33 PM >
| | | | Posted by MindHacker
a 6 will NOT bump a 5. It just won't line up to jump the right pins at the right times.
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This isn't exactly true - it's not dependent on how many cuts you have in the key, but rather their spacing. If you're careful you can bump a 5 pin lock with a key with 6 cuts - you just have to have more control over your bumping, and your tension-turning timing. The spacing of your bumpkey is, well, key.
~G
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Geo
  
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 64 on 3/27/2006 1:33 AM >
|  | | | i do have a bunch of bit depth info, if someone knows what they want i'll see if i have it...have about 20 different manufacturers
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Geo
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 65 on 3/27/2006 11:08 AM >
| | | | just wondering if anyone has attempted to "bump" a lock with spool pins? i'm assuming spool pins defeat this method of attack, or at least make it much more difficult, as it does with manual picking.
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tkdan235
Location: Bay Area, Ca
Gender: Male
"If it flies it dies!" -Oozlefinch
| | Bump Keys
<Reply # 66 on 11/27/2006 11:04 PM >
| | | | Bump keys are not well known to the general public, but have been very valuable for me in various situations. The basic idea is that you can make a key a certain way, pull it out one notch and hit it with a blunt object and it lets you get through any lock.
I have a full set of bump keys (12 Keys) and it works so well it is scary. In reality, locks are obsolete unless it is a 'Bump Key Proof Lock'. I have never seen one of those locks used in practice yet.
As part of my tools I bring along when I go UE, the bump keys are one of my most important. It is a great thing to have, who knows when a locked door will get closed behind you.
Here is a picture of a few bump keys:
Here is a great video on the logic of bump keys, as well as how to make one and use it as well:
http://video.googl...177213949300140850
Now the trick to is find all of the most common keys and make bump keys out of them. I was intending on doing this, but then I discovered that others on ebay will sell you the keys for a decent price:
http://search.ebay...0&satitle=bump+key
The next best thing is to ask that buddy of your's that has access to a key grinder to make level 999 keys for you. I do not recommend going to the store and asking for it to be made, if the locksmith knows anything about his trade, he will know what you are trying to do.
Sometimes the coolest things are behind locked doors. I realize this is entering a gray area, but at least you will not be vandalizing to get where you want to go or get away from.
Good luck!
edit: embedded video did not work
[last edit 11/27/2006 11:05 PM by tkdan235 - edited 1 times]
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Vinsanity
Location: NJ
Gender: Male
| | Re: Bump Keys
<Reply # 67 on 11/27/2006 11:49 PM >
| | | | I plan on watching this video later, as this concept intrigues me.
Who doesn't want to shoot fire from their ass? |
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dewey379
Location: North NJ & Baltimore, MD
Gender: Male
"Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici"
| | |  | Re: Bump Keys
<Reply # 68 on 11/28/2006 12:55 AM >
| | | | All I can say is that this is great and I can't wait to either make my own set or buy them online. These look great for entering places without causing any damage and you can probably hide one or two on your normal key chain without a cop noticing that they are there. The first place I am going to use them on will definitely be my friend's house who bet I couldn't get in there.
We must always fear the wicked.
But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most,
and that is the indifference of good men. |
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Pravus
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| | | | Re: Bump Keys
<Reply # 69 on 11/28/2006 1:06 AM >
| | | | http://www.uer.ca/...d=23381&currpage=1
some more info on them.. I know theres more threads on it as well
Live to Serve, Serve to Live.. |
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tkdan235
Location: Bay Area, Ca
Gender: Male
"If it flies it dies!" -Oozlefinch
| | Re: Bump Keys
<Reply # 70 on 11/28/2006 1:08 AM >
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Damn, I search but didn't see that. Oh well, we'll just have to talk about this again. =)
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Vinsanity
Location: NJ
Gender: Male
| | Re: Bump Keys
<Reply # 71 on 11/28/2006 1:06 PM >
| | | | Posted by dewey379
All I can say is that this is great and I can\'t wait to either make my own set or buy them online. These look great for entering places without causing any damage and you can probably hide one or two on your normal key chain without a cop noticing that they are there. The first place I am going to use them on will definitely be my friend\'s house who bet I couldn\'t get in there.
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You may not want to do that. You could damage his lock. 
Who doesn't want to shoot fire from their ass? |
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DrranXCore
Location: Winnipeg
Gender: Male
Pigeons are fuckin' scary man
| | | Re: Bump Keys
<Reply # 72 on 11/28/2006 5:11 PM >
| | | | Posted by Vinsanity
You may not want to do that. You could damage his lock.
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that's the thing, bump keys do not damage the lock at all, unlike many other lock picking techniques
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tkdan235
Location: Bay Area, Ca
Gender: Male
"If it flies it dies!" -Oozlefinch
| | Re: Bump Keys
<Reply # 73 on 11/28/2006 5:56 PM >
| | | | I have made one that did not damage the lock, but instead got stuck in the lock. Pliers would not get the damn thing out!
That is why I don't like making them, but just buying perfectly grinded keys on ebay. This way you can be confident you wont get busted with a key stuck in the lock!
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dewey379
Location: North NJ & Baltimore, MD
Gender: Male
"Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici"
| | | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 74 on 11/28/2006 11:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by Vinsanity
You may not want to do that. You could damage his lock.
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His mistake for saying I could never do it. I like proving my friends wrong and usually when I say I am going to do something, I do eventually do it.
We must always fear the wicked.
But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most,
and that is the indifference of good men. |
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Vinsanity
Location: NJ
Gender: Male
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 75 on 11/29/2006 2:14 AM >
| | | | Posted by dewey379
His mistake for saying I could never do it. I like proving my friends wrong and usually when I say I am going to do something, I do eventually do it.
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You must have some German blood in you.
Germans are stubborn like that.
(at least that's what my grandfather says)
Who doesn't want to shoot fire from their ass? |
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dewey379
Location: North NJ & Baltimore, MD
Gender: Male
"Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici"
| | | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 76 on 11/29/2006 2:56 AM >
| | | | | You must have some German blood in you. |
Haha German is the main one but I don't think its the only part of me that makes me want to prove people wrong. The Irish, Scottish, English and Welsh for the most part according to history seem like they are stubborn as well.
We must always fear the wicked.
But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most,
and that is the indifference of good men. |
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Phearim
| | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 77 on 12/1/2006 12:35 AM >
| | | | Unless I'm under the wrong impression. I hear it's out of the question to use a crowbar in entry to an abandoned any where! But, some how the practice is encouraged to bump a lock. Not arguing the use of such methods, I just don't understand the idiosyncrosies of both methods and their double standards!? My suggestion to assist in your entry to such a device as a spool pin is bring a can of pressurized butane, that stuff if not freezes on contact, will make what ever it is extremely cold. Cold as a reaction cuases things to go hard, hard makes things brittle! You can pretty much use just butane and a screwdriver to force entry but a combo of butane and a bump key would create a more definitive entry!
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Pravus
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| | | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 78 on 12/1/2006 12:47 AM >
| | | | Posted by Phearim
Unless I'm under the wrong impression. I hear it's out of the question to use a crowbar in entry to an abandoned any where! But, some how the practice is encouraged to bump a lock. Not arguing the use of such methods, I just don't understand the idiosyncrosies of both methods and their double standards!? My suggestion to assist in your entry to such a device as a spool pin is bring a can of pressurized butane, that stuff if not freezes on contact, will make what ever it is extremely cold. Cold as a reaction cuases things to go hard, hard makes things brittle! You can pretty much use just butane and a screwdriver to force entry but a combo of butane and a bump key would create a more definitive entry!
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the whole idea is a crowbar or smashing things open would be rather destructive.. and while picking a lock does damage it, the damage is normally very minimal to the point most people won't ever notice it..
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grit1
Location: University Campus - Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Got Shear Line?
| | | Re: How to make bumpkeys and open 75-80% of all locks
<Reply # 79 on 12/1/2006 1:08 AM >
| | | | Bump keys can very easily damage a lock if you bump that lock too much - the same way that a pick gun, or even manual scrubbing with too much force can. As in any lock picking situation, thinks can happen like master pins falling out into the keyway, getting the plug stuck 180[deg] from shear etc. Watch what you do.
Your home-made bump keys get stuck because there is an angle that is too sharp for the pins to ride on. You can make a key of death the same way - make it so there is a 30[deg] leading angle but the trailing angle is 90[deg]. The pin will get locked into the cut and won't release, no matter how hard you try pulling.
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