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 Roadwolf
         
The Wolf!
Location: Buffalo, NY (formerly Toronto, Canada)
Gender: Male
Living on the Road and Rails.
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<Reply # 60 on 11/25/2005 4:56 PM >
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Oh, come on. The place was already showing signs of twenty years worth of parties and vandalism. You guys talk about the Brickworks as though it's some charming, virgin location that up until now had only ever been visited by a handful of respectful people when this is clearly not the case. To suggest that such an easily accessible place like the Brickworks has somehow changed all because of one party strikes me as being a bit, well, naive.
And yeah.. I don't think one more party in there will change much either. Nothing that twenty years worth of visitors hasn't taken care of already.
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yeah, and either way, if the place gets locked up tight, the bum who lives there will find a way to open it again, and thus if he can get in, we can.
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No Dynamics
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 61 on 11/25/2005 5:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by manitou
Judging from you post history you are just here to find out about locations for parties.
If you don't like the way people here operate you are free to leave, don't sit around for a year and make a handful of posts saying that we are self-righteous.
Partying does lead to a halt in UE. There are two excellent examples: The Canada Malting Plant and Whitby Psych.
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I don't quite understand what my post history has to do with the self-righteousness of some of the people here. That seems completely random.
If you must know, I've done plenty of standard UE exploring and "left nothing but footprints".
Why would I leave? Because people disagree with me? What's the point of having forums if opinion is unitary?
How did planned events lead to the Canada Malting Plant and Whitby Psych putting up more security measures? I'm not talking about random teenagers who go there to break shit. I'm talking about real EVENTS. It seems as though UE brought an end to UE in these instances.
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Crossfire
Location: Kay-Dub
Gender: Male
Don't call it a comeback, I've been here for years.
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<Reply # 62 on 11/25/2005 5:18 PM >
| | | | Posted by No Dynamics
None of said shit happened at the Brick Works show I put on.
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You'll also note that I said that what I suggested could happen has not happened at all events. I was not singling you out, so don't make that mistake yourself.
Posted by No Dynamics
This is all well and good. But, you can't take it when someone else recontextualizes the same space in a different way, a way that doesn't adhere to your established codes of behaviour (in this space that YOU'RE MISBEHAVING IN!).
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No - what I have a problem with is not that these parties are being held, but that the actions of the people at these parties cannot necessarily be controlled. By inviting large groups of people into abandoned spaces, it drastically increases the risk of damage being done.
Posted by No Dynamics
Fact is, that show provided transcendent experiences for more people in one night than a year's worth of solitary UE expeditions.
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Oh - well, if that's a FACT, then it must be true. It's also a fact that when you gather large groups of people together that there is an increased risk of one person doing something stupid turning into one hundred people doing something stupid.
When I enter an abandoned building, I can guarantee that when I leave, it will look the same as when I entered. Can you guarantee that after one of your events that it will look the same as when you got there?
C.
Disgruntled. |
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mortimer
Location: teronno
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 63 on 11/25/2005 5:32 PM >
| | | | Counterpoint: Jane, you ignorant slut!
Sorry, had to throw that in here to keep the mood from getting too heavy. And no dynamics, sorry for my earlier post aking why you were here, I initially mixed your group up with the one that brought along heroin and pcp users to one of their events.
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No Dynamics
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 64 on 11/25/2005 5:33 PM >
| | | | Posted by Crossfire
You'll also note that I said that what I suggested could happen has not happened at all events. I was not singling you out, so don't make that mistake yourself.
No - what I have a problem with is not that these parties are being held, but that the actions of the people at these parties cannot necessarily be controlled. By inviting large groups of people into abandoned spaces, it drastically increases the risk of damage being done.
Oh - well, if that's a FACT, then it must be true. It's also a fact that when you gather large groups of people together that there is an increased risk of one person doing something stupid turning into one hundred people doing something stupid.
When I enter an abandoned building, I can guarantee that when I leave, it will look the same as when I entered. Can you guarantee that after one of your events that it will look the same as when you got there?
C.
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Your logic is baffling. The actions of anybody who enters an abandoned building cannot be controlled. Who's to say that the intention of one is better than the intention of a hundred?
And so what if there's a risk? The risk is a miniscule one and certainly doesn't constitute an argument for the halting of all events in all abandoned buildings everywhere. I was being semi-tongue-in-cheek with the whole "transcendent" thing. Don't know if that came across.
Your argument against events is like New York City's argument against dancing.
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Stewie
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male
kill your idols
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 65 on 11/25/2005 5:35 PM >
| | | | Lets remember that in the case of the Malt Plant, increased security was based on rumours of a planned rave. I don't recall anything actually taking place.
> The hierarchy of power dictates that the person with the most power does the least amount of work and retains the highest benefit. |
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Roadwolf
The Wolf!
Location: Buffalo, NY (formerly Toronto, Canada)
Gender: Male
Living on the Road and Rails.
| | | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 66 on 11/25/2005 5:36 PM >
| | | | Posted by No Dynamics
How did planned events lead to the Canada Malting Plant and Whitby Psych putting up more security measures? I'm not talking about random teenagers who go there to break shit. I'm talking about real EVENTS. It seems as though UE brought an end to UE in these instances.
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A planned halloween party led to the malt plant getting locked down for a year or two, and increased overall security there.
A publically planned exploration of whitby led to increased police patrols and a fence (in combination with someone getting hurt there, and numerous fires set by drunk teens looking for a place to get high).
usually... drunk teens + drugs + fire = bad things happening... atleast when no one owns or cares about the locations these events are being held in. however staying true to my arguments in other threads that certian people on this site are way too opinionated and that I dislike people forcing their ideals or opinions on others... in which case; I personally would not like to see the brickworks or any other building used in such a way, however I know that nothing I say will really change this, therefore, please be careful. Thanks !
Roadwolf,
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No Dynamics
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 67 on 11/25/2005 5:50 PM >
| | | | Okay, fair enough (for the Malting Plant, anyway). I'm sure regular UE expeditions didn't help matters, though.
Why don't we say this: events should be covert and responsibly planned/carried out. I didn't mean in any of my posts to support recklessness and destruction. I just meant to stress that a show somewhere doesn't have to equal drunken teens starting fires and breaking shit. It all depends on the demographic you're attracting, really. The show I did happened not to attract a reckless/destructive crowd.
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oddspot
Location: Small Town Alberta
Gender: Male
| | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 68 on 11/25/2005 6:16 PM >
| | | | Regardless of the kind of decay, the kind of parties, the kind of people...these types of adventures are clearly not supported by members of this website, and I think that's the point. Buildings are buildings and correct we do not own any of them. Members here have a specific use for them....exploring and taking pics so engaging a conversation about activities that fly in the face of what we enjoy is futile!!
If you are looking to party, find boards with like minded partiers. We came to explore and that's whagt we'll
my .02
Even A Genius Has Questions!?!
I do things because I choose to, not because I have to. My Life, My Rules - No Exceptions! |
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Crossfire
Location: Kay-Dub
Gender: Male
Don't call it a comeback, I've been here for years.
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<Reply # 69 on 11/25/2005 6:22 PM >
| | | | Posted by No Dynamics
Why don't we say this: events should be covert and responsibly planned/carried out.
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Sounds good. If you can get together a group of people who you trust enough to make this happen, then all the best. At least follow the second half of the Sierra Club motto... leave only footprints.
C.
Disgruntled. |
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pat420
Location: Scarlem
Gender: Male
I've Got a Lovely Bunch Of Coconuts. . . .
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 70 on 11/25/2005 6:25 PM >
| | | | Posted by Crossfire
Sounds good. If you can get together a group of people who you trust enough to make this happen, then all the best. At least follow the second half of the Sierra Club motto... leave only footprints.
C.
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*clears throght conspicuously*
"PLEASE! Inform only your most trusted friends.
You know the deal, its your vibe…don’t ruin it. "
freetekno.toronto.on.ca
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Crossfire
Location: Kay-Dub
Gender: Male
Don't call it a comeback, I've been here for years.
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<Reply # 71 on 11/25/2005 6:45 PM >
| | | | Don't patronize me, Pat.
Saying that is one thing... being able to pull it off is another. As I've said from the beginning, and Pat420 said this too, you can't control exactly who shows up. Just telling people to tell only their trusted friends isn't going to do the trick. For instance, who are those trusted friends going to tell?
C.
Disgruntled. |
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pat420
Location: Scarlem
Gender: Male
I've Got a Lovely Bunch Of Coconuts. . . .
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 72 on 11/26/2005 4:29 PM >
| | | | Posted by Crossfire
Don't patronize me, Pat.
Saying that is one thing... being able to pull it off is another. As I've said from the beginning, and Pat420 said this too, you can't control exactly who shows up. Just telling people to tell only their trusted friends isn't going to do the trick. For instance, who are those trusted friends going to tell?
C.
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i dont know how you thinki'm trying to patronize you. i'm not trying to impress anyone on this forum. i'm jsut trying to say that we take every available and feasable effort to restrict those kinds of unwanted people from our events.
-pat
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 73 on 11/27/2005 5:47 PM >
|  | | | Posted by pat420
i dont know how you thinki'm trying to patronize you. i'm not trying to impress anyone on this forum. i'm jsut trying to say that we take every available and feasable effort to restrict those kinds of unwanted people from our events.
-pat
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I'm new to the thread, and your get togethers, so can you clear something up for me ? Do you charge people for attending or is it totally free ?
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lopix
Location: Ontario
Gender: Male
I survive on the poison you're feeding me
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 74 on 11/28/2005 10:13 PM >
| | | | Funny, just cruising the DB and found this comment posted with a picture:
"freetekno.toronto.on.ca held one of their Teknival events here in 2004 and left a mess. There is a DJ table set up on the platform behind the middle column and lame graffiti. There was an attempt to clean up after themselves as some of the garbage actually made it into a bag. Its a shame this group doesn't have respect for the locations they use. This isn't the first time I've come across their leftovers."
I think that says a lot... Posted in September, before you started posting here...
I'm not angry - just focused :: No human opinion is higher than the truth
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jaymo
Location: Guelph
Gender: Male
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 75 on 11/29/2005 6:29 PM >
| | | | I have pretty mixed feelings about this. On one hand, what gives us explorers/photographers the right to think that we have exclusivity over these sites? On the other hand, the last group that used the Brickworks for a party left candles burning and empty beer bottles all over the place.
There is also the issue of the group size. I for one, am not that interested in large groups of people visiting these sites and drawing attention to the accessibility buildings. I heard a story about the meetup group trip to Hearn that involved a group of about 15 or so people who had planned the trip on their web forum, only to be met by security when they arrived.
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Agent Skelly
 
Web Sheriff
Location: Oregon Territory
Gender: Male
Prenez De L'Avance Avec Chrysler!
| |  | | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 76 on 11/29/2005 6:41 PM >
| | | | I don't want to be a ass or anything, but I'm curious as to why and how pat420 found us and would come to the conclusion that we would be helpful in giving information into such a event.
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nightbird
Girl Moderator
Location: Buffalo, NY
Gender: Female
Gone abortin, BRB
| | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 77 on 11/29/2005 6:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by jaymo
I heard a story about the meetup group trip to Hearn that involved a group of about 15 or so people who had planned the trip on their web forum, only to be met by security when they arrived.
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The only common link between brickworks and hearn is their state of disuse. It is silly and misleading to compare the two in terms of accessability. You wouldn't compare exploring an outdoor garden to your local mall, yet you're trying to do that here. This thread is about brickworks, so let's leave other places out of it.
WTF indeed. |
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jaymo
Location: Guelph
Gender: Male
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 78 on 11/29/2005 7:09 PM >
| | | | I'm not comparing anything. What i'm saying is that no good can come out of having large groups of people going into these buildings.
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nightbird
Girl Moderator
Location: Buffalo, NY
Gender: Female
Gone abortin, BRB
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<Reply # 79 on 11/29/2005 7:19 PM >
| | | | Posted by jaymo
I'm not comparing anything. What i'm saying is that no good can come out of having large groups of people going into these buildings.
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not necessarily. There was around 25 people at one time in brickworks over the weekend, with no problems save the one asshat (it only takes one) that decided to sound an air horn.
25 people could go to hearn, if they're smart about it and plan. Announcing a date and time on a publicly viewable board is not smart.
WTF indeed. |
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