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 Agent Skelly
       
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Location: Oregon Territory
Gender: Male
Prenez De L'Avance Avec Chrysler!
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<Reply # 100 on 12/7/2005 11:21 PM >
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Oh my god! Dance to music?!?!?!
Who are you, Giuliani?
Why does music have to be associated with recklessness. Sorry to beat this into the ground, but I put on a fucking show there that was completely free of all recklessness and was generally enjoyable for the 200 or so in attendance.
I don't know why most of you are so against responsibly organized events here and elsewhere. At least these kinds of events, when well thought out, breathe new life into these decaying institutions. Taking pictures kind of does that, but not to the extent that it should be done. I just can't believe how selfish and prudish this sentiment is.
I would never want to go to any location with someone as drowned in paltry self-righteousness as yourself.
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We can't trust your word thats all.
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No Dynamics
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 101 on 12/7/2005 11:31 PM >
| | | | Posted by Agent Skelly
We can't trust your word thats all.
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Who's "we"?
And to clear things up, I'm not clamouring for trust around here. I doesn't really matter to me either way. I'm obviously not going to be granted full member status. That said, why would I be anything other than honest? I have no potential full member status to lose.
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seicer
 
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 102 on 12/7/2005 11:35 PM >
| | | | Posted by No Dynamics
Who's "we"?
And to clear things up, I'm not clamouring for trust around here. I doesn't really matter to me either way. I'm obviously not going to be granted full member status. That said, why would I be anything other than honest? I have no potential full member status to lose.
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From the appearant conclusion made forth by the posters in this thread, the vast majority.
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mayhem154
 
Location: New Orleans
Gender: Male
Hello...
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<Reply # 103 on 12/8/2005 1:16 AM >
| | | | Tekno Sucks....
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Roadwolf
The Wolf!
Location: Buffalo, NY (formerly Toronto, Canada)
Gender: Male
Living on the Road and Rails.
| |  | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 104 on 12/8/2005 5:37 PM >
| | | | this is pointless.
Add me on Skype or Steam: Roadwolf611
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No Dynamics
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 105 on 12/8/2005 6:20 PM >
| | | | Posted by seicer
From the appearant conclusion made forth by the posters in this thread, the vast majority.
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That may be, but I'm wondering why. BTW, I'm not associated with Freetekno and don't know any of those people (I am reiterating this for about the millionth time). The event I put on had nothing to do with them.
Finally, what don't people trust me ABOUT? I don't really understand that statement.
Roadwolf, if you think it's pointless, then stop reading the thread. I happen to think this is particularly pertinent issue, especially since not EVERYONE around here seems to be in total and absolute accordance with the apparent UE party line of using spaces for nothing more than taking photos.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 106 on 12/8/2005 6:55 PM >
|  | | | Posted by No Dynamics
Finally, what don't people trust me ABOUT? I don't really understand that statement.
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Since you feel it's a good idea to take large groups of people to these places and hold parties/put on shows, which is quite against what most people here feel, I can't see why you don't understand the mistrust.
You will take 100+ people to a place and claim nothing will happen to the site ? well, as much as I love your faith in people, unless you can exert some sort of pwerful mind control on every individual, you cannot make a guarantee that any one individual may choose to do something stupid. To claim that would be utter bullshit.
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No Dynamics
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 107 on 12/8/2005 7:56 PM >
| | | | What's your point? Individuals who do stupid things similarly have access to these buildings and are free to enter them as individuals and do dumb shit inside them. Numbers don't have much to do with it, really. The show I had at the Brick Works had no incidences of dumbness, and there were easily 200 people there. In fact, I will go so far as to say that the numbers served as a deterrent to people doing dumb shit.
The "trust" I was talking about was a different kind. The original post said "We can't trust your word". I thought it was being implied that I wasn't being truthful about something, whatever that might have been.
Anyway, we can leave it at this. I think I finally believe this conversation is going nowhere. I have no desire to be part of a community that is by and large as prudish, small-minded, and dogmatic as this one, and I'm sure you don't want me either. The only reason I ever came here was to look at pictures of abandoned buildings. Groundless elitism has eliminated that option, for the most part, making this site largely useless for me. FAREWELL!
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Phantom403
Gender: Male
MOOOO!
| | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 108 on 12/8/2005 7:59 PM >
| | | | Posted by No Dynamics
What's your point? Individuals who do stupid things similarly have access to these buildings and are free to enter them as individuals and do dumb shit inside them. Numbers don't have much to do with it, really. The show I had at the Brick Works had no incidences of dumbness, and there were easily 200 people there. In fact, I will go so far as to say that the numbers served as a deterrent to people doing dumb shit.
The "trust" I was talking about was a different kind. The original post said "We can't trust your word". I thought it was being implied that I wasn't being truthful about something, whatever that might have been.
Anyway, we can leave it at this. I think I finally believe this conversation is going nowhere. I have no desire to be part of a community that is by and large as prudish, small-minded, and dogmatic as this one, and I'm sure you don't want me either. The only reason I ever came here was to look at pictures of abandoned buildings. Groundless elitism has eliminated that option, for the most part, making this site largely useless for me. FAREWELL!
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Awwwww....buh bye...hope that rusty old door doesn't SLAP your ass on the way out...oh wait were prudes...forgot...ahem....well kind sir I hope zee door does not sway roughly upon you posterior on your way out and aboot!
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The problem with the world is dumb people. I'm not advocating capital punishment for dumb people. I'm just suggesting we remove all the warning labels and let the problem solve itself. |
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
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<Reply # 109 on 12/8/2005 8:53 PM >
| | | | So am I the only one here who thought he actually made some good points?
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mortimer
Location: teronno
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 110 on 12/8/2005 9:07 PM >
| | | | | So am I the only one here who thought he actually made some good points? |
No, I'm in agreement in principle with NoDynamics. Not so interested in Pat420's stated case though.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 111 on 12/8/2005 9:38 PM >
| | | | The common bond between the two of them being, that they will both take large numbers of people to the places, and try to say that all the party goers will all maintain a great ethics at a place like that ? They can't convince me of this, look at house parties and how things get wrecked. Now take a bunch of people to a place that is abandoned and *nobody cares about* and i'm expected to believe nobody might fuck the place up ?
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 112 on 12/8/2005 9:41 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
The common bond between the two of them being, that they will both take large numbers of people to the places, and try to say that all the party goers will all maintain a great ethics at a place like that ? They can't convince me of this, look at house parties and how things get wrecked. Now take a bunch of people to a place that is abandoned and *nobody cares about* and i'm expected to believe nobody might fuck the place up ?
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They are planning on taking a large group of people, whereas a typical group of explorers is no more than five. Take your pick at which is easier to control. The original poster already stated he can't control everybody, so there is that chance that the building will burn down (it has happened before at raves) or that there will be mass amounts of vandalism.
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mortimer
Location: teronno
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 113 on 12/8/2005 10:11 PM >
| | | | Just keep in mind the location, which is also the title of the thread. The brickworks, as much as I love the place, has for years been a party spot on weekends, with the unofficial look-the-other-way approval of the police. Sometimes it's half a dozen people, sometimes two dozen, occasionally a couple hundred. UER monthly meet groups have gone there with fairly large groups before as well.
No Dynamics held a show at a place that has hosted a fair number already in the past, and left it pretty much the same, maybe with a few more beer bottles lying around, although I'm quite sure every bottle that was seen was cleaned up, as they're worth money, and promoters of free shows usually lose money.
Pat420, on the other hand, posted as reference to his intentions a link to a forum that included stories about partiers on heroin and pcp passing out in a back room, which, although not necessarily his fault, will keep pretty much everyone here from ever helping him out.
| The only reason I ever came here was to look at pictures of abandoned buildings. Groundless elitism has eliminated that option, for the most part, making this site largely useless for me. FAREWELL! |
Well, it's too bad you jumped into this conversation and took offense to what was really an overreaction to someone else's irresponsible planning, as if I recall correctly, the last thread that involved your event was somewhat more civil.
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 114 on 12/8/2005 10:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by seicer
They are planning on taking a large group of people, whereas a typical group of explorers is no more than five. Take your pick at which is easier to control. |
I guess it all depends, because there's also the chance that within a small group of explorers, things might get stolen for the purposes of getting sold on Ebay, set on fire (see: http://www.uer.ca/...d=24130&currpage=1) or just plain shat upon (http://www.uer.ca/...d=1&threadid=25209). Hell, during my first (and last) Toronto UE meet, I witnessed a small number of people kicking stuff across rooms and eventually tearing a door down because they thought there might be something interesting behind it.
I'm not saying that the majority of us aren't well behaved when we visit places, but as far as I see it there will bad seeds in any group despite any so-called ethics. So given that, I have to say that I feel about as confident in the behavior of these party-goers being inside a place like the Brickworks as I do the people around here-- who, let's be honest.. aren't *always* so mature and responsible either, both on and offline.
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oldtimer
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 115 on 12/9/2005 8:11 PM >
| | | | While it's possible (and probable) that there are bad apples in either bunch... and the sheer number percentage wise would be higher in a group of 200 vs. a group of 10....
There is still one fundamental difference between party goers and UE'ers...
The partygoers aren't there to appreciate the surroundings. They want light, noise, and possibly mind altering substances to dull them even further from appreciating their environs. Vs. the explorers who are there solely to take in the atmosphere of echoey, shadowy, "abandoned" places that really project abandonment....
The explorers don't go to these places in order to transform them in to a bustling microcosm of the urban cesspools they just left in the morning. These are places of quiet contemplation... I have yet to encounter fellow explorers who go running through a place screaming. It is simply understood that the uniqueness of the place needs to be preserved. It's precious in that it is just the opposite of hustle & bustle of everyday life. How many of these are left?
I for one do not like finding beer bottles on the Bruce Trail or in any abandonments. They remind me that there are assholes all over. I would like to live in my fantasy world where there are protected places free of assholes. A few hours of semi quiet, iPod-free solitude probably scares the willies out of them.
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mintjellie
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<Reply # 116 on 12/10/2005 1:22 PM >
| | | | i want to see these pictures of trash at the brickworks after a freetek party dammit!
lol.
damn people who post and leave and never come back to check responses.
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mintjellie
| | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 117 on 12/10/2005 1:33 PM >
| | | | do numbers really matter that much seicer? it seems that you can't even control one of those typical groups of five.
what i find interesting is that you said "We" found a nice toilet. am I to take it that not only did you not try to stop your friend, you condoned his behaviour?
just think, if you could smell that shit when you came back a week later then anyone else who may have explored that site would have been able to smell it as well. how long do you think it took that shit to stop stinking the area up?
its funny, but credibility is like cash. you can't spend it if you burn it.
Posted by seicer
They are planning on taking a large group of people, whereas a typical group of explorers is no more than five. Take your pick at which is easier to control. The original poster already stated he can't control everybody, so there is that chance that the building will burn down (it has happened before at raves) or that there will be mass amounts of vandalism.
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Posted by seicer
This is a serious question! Last year in the dead of winter, "Mitch," who tagged along with us, had the sudden urge to take a crap. Not wanting to risk leaving and then coming back later on that night, we found a nice toilet in a part of a building that was only abandoned since 1990. The seat was in good condition, although not clean, and there was ... old toilet paper to the side in a roll still.
With no water, the #$@#ing toilet stunk up the room like wildfire. Nasty.
A week later, the same room still reeked of feces so we didn't bother to check to see what happened.
Came back to the place two weekends ago (Ronin_House has the pics) and the poop was still in the toilet. What the hell. At least it didn't smell.
Toilet Paper
Toilet Today
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: The Don Valley Brickworks.
<Reply # 118 on 12/10/2005 2:45 PM >
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do numbers really matter that much seicer? it seems that you can't even control one of those typical groups of five.
what i find interesting is that you said "We" found a nice toilet. am I to take it that not only did you not try to stop your friend, you condoned his behaviour?
just think, if you could smell that shit when you came back a week later then anyone else who may have explored that site would have been able to smell it as well. how long do you think it took that shit to stop stinking the area up?
its funny, but credibility is like cash. you can't spend it if you burn it.
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I see we have a troll on our hands guys!
"Mintjellie" did not comprehend the post that I made, obviously, and failed to read the reasoning behind it. It's more of a health issue more than anything, as holding your feces in your rectum can cause long term health damage. It's best to do it at a toilet in a closed and confined room that had a door, to which I had permission to enter said hospital.
Taking a said shit in an abandoned hospital for health's sake is far different than trashing an abandonment, leaving graffiti, drinking and getting high and leaving your trash behind, partying with no respect to the property, setting fires... you get the point.
Now shut the hell up since its obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.
Edit: Looking at your prior posts, it seems as if you support these raves being held in abandonments. Oh well, no amount of sense will snap you back.
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mintjellie
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<Reply # 119 on 12/11/2005 5:56 AM >
| | | | what makes you think i want to see your buddies turd any more than i want to see graffiti?
as for my support of this use for an abandonment :
i only support if someone else has already wrecked the place to begin with.
if i came across a virgin site that looked like it had been virtually untouched since it was abandoned, the last thing i would do is tell anyone associated with a soundsystem.
come to think of it, i doubt i would share it with UER if it were really interesting.
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