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tekriter
Location: in the Hindu Kush Total Likes: 0 likes
Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.
| | | Re: Mosque at Ground Zero < Reply # 100 on 8/24/2010 5:54 PM > | Reply with Quote
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| It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics. Robert A. Heinlen |
| dirt
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Je suis très aimable et très caustique.
| | | | | Re: Mosque at Ground Zero < Reply # 103 on 8/24/2010 9:06 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by splumer
Is there a difference? It seems theoretically possible to be both a Christian (believe in the divinity of Jesus) and a Muslim (following the 5 pillars of Islam and believe the Koran was dictate to mohamed). Is there any reason why you couldn't? I mean, assuming you went in for those sorts of things. I suppose you could say that the Bible, since it was written by people, is imperfect, and that the Koran (assuming Mo made no mistakes in his dictation), being the verbatim word of God, supersedes the Bible where the two are in conflict. Opinions? Wow! A religious topic on the religion board!
| Supposedly both are the word of god and are infallible. Whereas the Torah is free to interpret. So in that they are in conflict. That said, in Islamic societies in the past, Christians and Muslims lived side by side. The Islamic view was that Christians did indeed share the same god, but were inferior in faith. Christians were second class citizens. So now Christians are being hypocrites because they treat Muslims as second class citizens. While it is true that Islam has had a violent past, and in some cases violent present, that just makes them like every other religion. Same amount of misogyny, of self righteousness, the same amount of violence. The people who disagree with the building of this center are small minded bigots. Personally, I would love to see Judaism, Christianity, and Islam erased from history. That won't happen. So those of us with a head on our shoulders accept that they exist, and decide to only concern ourselves with our own lives. It is madness to try and change people.
| He seemed to move among very delicate objects, on ground mined with goodness knows what precious explosives. ~ Jean Cocteau |
| tekriter
Location: in the Hindu Kush Total Likes: 0 likes
Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.
| | | Re: Mosque at Ground Zero < Reply # 106 on 8/25/2010 3:02 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by dirt It is madness to try and change people.
| No, it is not. As MM pointed out, the civil rights movement changed many people's attitudes and lives. Drinking and driving is not reasonable activity, yet it used to be acceptable until the social cost became to great and peoples attitudes were changed. Christians used to burn witches when there was a bad harvest. Many african males believe that showering after sex, or having sex with a virgin will protect them from the HIV. Should those of us that know better try to change their minds? Organized religion is unreasonable and will disappear, in time, under the crush of reason. When the social cost of islam (or any other intolerant religion) becomes too great people will move to deal with it. I'm not sure that it is madness to fight unreason and religious intolerance. and one more thing, there is no such thing as a private belief. Everything you believe, reasonable or not, affects how you act and interact with others. It is time to begin to replace religious intolerance with a humanistic conversational intolerance for unreasonable ideas.
| It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics. Robert A. Heinlen |
| tekriter
Location: in the Hindu Kush Total Likes: 0 likes
Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.
| | | Re: Mosque at Ground Zero < Reply # 110 on 8/25/2010 3:52 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by jeepdave Proving religion is like proving an emotion. You can't but that doesn't mean you don't feel it.
| You might just have indigestion, or it could be wishful thinking. I'm sure it is inspiring to believe that you will survive your own death, but there is no good reason to believe that, not is it compatible with living together with one another.
| It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics. Robert A. Heinlen |
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