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MutantMandias Perverse and Often Baffling
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| | | | Re: An Atheist's View On Abortion (long) < Reply # 81 on 3/13/2011 9:21 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by jeepdave I'm sorry, I just think everybody should get a basic right to life. Sorry if that interferes with your career. I wish that people who get abortions for reasons such as convenience die right then, in the worst kind od agony they could receive.
| Nobody is being denied any right to life. There is no person who exists in there in the form of an egg and sperm. Personhood happens over time, and a graph of the rate at which it happens is exactly* reflected by a graph of when people think it is okay to abort. Fringe lunatics like you lie at one end, and more rational people lie closer to the middle. *I say exactly because I mean exactly. The personhood of a fetus exists only as a construct of the people who perceive it, since it has no perception of itself. Therefore, if 50% of people think it is okay for a fetus to be aborted at 4 months, then a fetus is 50% a person. That is the only possible way to put any meaning to the word.
| mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being |
| MutantMandias Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA Gender: Male Total Likes: 268 likes
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| | | | Re: An Atheist's View On Abortion (long) < Reply # 83 on 3/13/2011 9:36 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by underdark And today on this episode of "Pissing people off by stating the obvious", a list of examples of attempting to regulate personal behavior that failed... Alcohol prohibition Pre-marital sex Inter-racial sex/marriage
| And, of course, everyone agrees that the races shouldn't be allowed to mix. I mean the Bible says that right? No, of course it doesn't. But various Bible passages were used to condemn interracial marriages. Try to find an example today of anyone saying that the Bible forbids interracial marriage. Isn't it interesting how the unchanging holy word of God has changed in just 35 years?
| mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being |
| MutantMandias Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA Gender: Male Total Likes: 268 likes
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| | | | Re: An Atheist's View On Abortion (long) < Reply # 85 on 3/13/2011 10:14 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby im willing assume if you could talk to a fetus it would rather develop and become a baby then to be killed.
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Using that same logic, I'm willing to assume that if green is the number 7, then elephants are actually spaceships. Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby the earlier we detect more recognible human features in fetus` the harder it will be for some to get abortions.
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Well, if seeing human features in a fetus were to cause all people en masse to have the emotional response that they could no longer abide abortions, then yes, that would essentially make it true that life and personhood begins at conception, simply because all of these things are only words defined by people. No one group can decide what the meaning is or what the truth is. But, please note that many people, myself included, have been presented with all sorts of presentations about how a fetus is just a little, tiny person, and it is rubbish. Of course there are physical similarities between a born person and a fetus, but there are actually many more physical similarities between an adult and an corpse, so does that mean that the corpse is a person? Is it wrong to bury corpses because they don't want to be buried?
| mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being |
| tekriter
Location: in the Hindu Kush Total Likes: 0 likes
Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.
| | | Re: An Atheist's View On Abortion (long) < Reply # 86 on 3/13/2011 11:53 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by jeepdave I'm sorry, I just think everybody should get a basic right to life. Sorry if that interferes with your career. I wish that people who get abortions for reasons such as convenience die right then, in the worst kind od agony they could receive.
| I'm pretty sure that no woman would have an invasive procedure to terminate her pregnancy simply out of "convenience". And regardless of your religious views no one should be sentenced to an agonizing death just because they choose to get an abortion. This is the sort of rhetoric that makes it okay to firebomb clinics and kill doctors. The law weighs the legal rights of the mother to determine what happens to her own body along with the rights of the unborn child. The concept that life begins at conception is purely religious - there is no scientific basis for this belief. While no one would agree that abortion should be used as contraception, there is some debate on when it should be allowed. That debate should revolve more around human wellbeing and suffering rather than a theological debate on when "life begins". Consider the following stats on teen pregnancy, teen abortion and religious belief. Compare USA and Canada with the least religious european countries: Teenage Birthrate per 1000 female aged 15-19 USA 53 Iceland 19 Canada 16 Norway 11 Finland 8 Denmark 7 Sweden 7 Netherlands 5 Abortion rate for the same pop'n USA 30.2 Iceland 20.6 Canada 22.1 Norway 18.3 Finland 9.6 Denmark 15.4 Sweden 17.7 Netherlands 3.9 Belief in god (% that say they believe in god) USA 92 Iceland 38 Canada 77 Norway 32 Finland 41 Denmark 31 Sweden 23 Netherlands 34 I'm not sure we should allow religion to be the only source of "moral" thought. The "atheist" countries seem to have a better grasp of the debate and have better outcomes.
| It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics. Robert A. Heinlen |
| MutantMandias Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA Gender: Male Total Likes: 268 likes
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| | | | Re: An Atheist's View On Abortion (long) < Reply # 93 on 3/14/2011 1:13 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby I'm not saying everyone. I'm just saying people calling abortion murder and firebombing clinics and shooting doctors isn't going to be changing anyones mind. The only way to do so would be through advancements in science.
| I think I understand what you're saying, and I can respect it. Of course, I can also follow along behind you, showing a perti dish with a cell in it, convincing people that there is nothing in the least bit human about a zygote. And I could horrify them with pictures of a 7 week old embryo, asking how comfortable they would be raising this little inhuman monster.
| mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being |
| tekriter
Location: in the Hindu Kush Total Likes: 0 likes
Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.
| | | Re: An Atheist's View On Abortion (long) < Reply # 95 on 3/14/2011 12:58 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Here are some more fun facts: Iceland and Sweden were amongst the first countries to legalize abortion. The rates reflect something there as well. The abortion rate in Sweden is nearly half that of the US. In 2000, in the USA, the abortion rate was 12 among white women, 31 among Hispanic women and 57 among black women. Do abortion rates have anything to do with education, access to contraception and poverty? The crime rate also dropped drastically 13-15 years after Roe vs Wade indicating that there is a correlation between unwanted children and the crime rate. Incidence of abortion has declined worldwide as access to family planning education and contraceptive services has increased. (both of these are opposed by the catholic church) http://www.guttmac...rnals/3310607.html What about after birth? Look at the infant mortality rate in the USA. Those babies did not choose to have poor health care and poor maternal education (both causes of infant mortality) Deaths per 1000 live births USA 6.3 Iceland 2.9 Canada 4.8 Norway 3.3 Finland 3.7 Denmark 4.4 Sweden 3.2 Netherlands 4.7 What about when the survivors grow up? Homicide rate per year per 100,000 inhabitants USA 5.0 Iceland 0.00 Canada 1.81 Norway .60 Finland 2.5 Denmark 1.01 Sweden 0.89 Netherlands 0.93 Looks like it is 10 x more deadly to live in the Christian USA than in atheist Norway. None of those people chose to be murdered (and all were definitely capable of suffering and coherent thought) Unsafe abortions (like with knitting needles and such) result in 70,000 deaths and 5 million disabilities per year globally. This alone seems to be reason enough to make reducing the need for abortions a priority and making access to safe ones available.
| It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics. Robert A. Heinlen |
| tekriter
Location: in the Hindu Kush Total Likes: 0 likes
Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.
| | | Re: An Atheist's View On Abortion (long) < Reply # 98 on 3/14/2011 7:32 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by splumer
But babies are cute and women who have sex are sluts that should be punished.
| since you brought it up, god agrees: Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. -- Genesis 38:24
| It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics. Robert A. Heinlen |
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