Dave, you are barking up the wrong tree with those words. Your logic fails because if you know Samaurai's upbringing you would know he comes from a Ford family. And last I checked Chevy was a GM brand.

Posted by Agent Skelly Dave, you are barking up the wrong tree with those words. Your logic fails because if you know Samaurai's upbringing you would know he comes from a Ford family. And last I checked Chevy was a GM brand.

Doesnt matter what he was brought up on, its still domestic. Relax though, sam knows im just messing with him in a fun way.

why does this forum always end up in a domestic vs. import battle?
its feels like midnight on the streets with a bunch of 17 year old kids arguing about whos stock automatic 4 banger is faster.
this never goes anywhere, everyone says the same point in every thread basically.

haha....this will probably stir it up too but atleast it'll be a little different

Posted by team haymaker why does this forum always end up in a domestic vs. import battle? its feels like midnight on the streets with a bunch of 17 year old kids arguing about whos stock automatic 4 banger is faster. this never goes anywhere, everyone says the same point in every thread basically. haha....this will probably stir it up too but atleast it'll be a little different

i do not have a stock automatic four cylinder.

in GM country on a quiet night you can hear the imports rust

Posted by nostra-YOUPPI! in GM country on a quiet night you can hear the imports rust

tonight at work... a poor poor Kia would not start.
boo hoo.
the owner had to be driven home in a (gasp) Chevy Malibu that did start.

ever wonder why they hardly export any domestic models to europe or asia?

Posted by Nismo ever wonder why they hardly export any domestic models to europe or asia?

Because GM, Chrysler, and Ford have plants in Europe and Asia?

and offer completely different european spec models that are 10x better?

Posted by Nismo and offer completely different european spec models that are 10x better?

Only Ford does that because they can't make world platform cars.

domestic automakers do not export to other countries because 1)they already have manufacturing points there or a brand that has been sold there and 2)the tariff situation has been slanted by the target country to keep imports out (in the case of both Japan and Korea).
Since you like picking on General Motors so much, GM does not really export to Europe because it already has brands there in the form of Opel, Vauxhall, Saab (well DID have Saab) and Isuzu. In Asia-Australia, there was Holden, Isuzu, Daewoo.. getting my drift? To get around unfavorable tariffs, GM import the Chevrolet Cavalier into Japan and sold it as a Toyota Cavalier (bet you didn't know that, did you?)

so shut your hole until you actually know what you're talking about.

One thing also to keep in mind is that the EPA, DOT, and a multitude of other government agencys keep domestics from building the 10x better euro models. Its not that the company is keeping them from us, its our own damned government. I thank you.

Posted by jeepdave One thing also to keep in mind is that the EPA, DOT, and a multitude of other government agencys keep domestics from building the 10x better euro models. Its not that the company is keeping them from us, its our own damned government. I thank you.

FMVSS/CMVSS and ECE regulations are now pretty much almost the same; it's usually in engine requirements that for some reason FMVSS/CMVSS prefers bigger engines.

Posted by Samurai domestic automakers do not export to other countries because 1)they already have manufacturing points there or a brand that has been sold there and 2)the tariff situation has been slanted by the target country to keep imports out (in the case of both Japan and Korea). Since you like picking on General Motors so much, GM does not really export to Europe because it already has brands there in the form of Opel, Vauxhall, Saab (well DID have Saab) and Isuzu. In Asia-Australia, there was Holden, Isuzu, Daewoo.. getting my drift? To get around unfavorable tariffs, GM import the Chevrolet Cavalier into Japan and sold it as a Toyota Cavalier (bet you didn't know that, did you?) so shut your hole until you actually know what you're talking about.

yes but all the GM brands in europe are AMAZING compared to the trash cobalts we get here

Posted by Nismo yes but all the GM brands in europe are AMAZING compared to the trash cobalts we get here

oh of course... do you even think before you type, or do you just come up with these little barbs to try and piss me off, because there is no way you can be as dumb as you sound in reality.

only good car here by GM is the vibe and the astra I wonder why? Please tell me how GM was able to come up with two quality cars on their own?

assholes drive imports

and uneducated country bumpkins drive domestics?

Delta body=

Saturn/Opel/Vauxhall Astra
Chevrolet Cobalt
Pontiac G5
Chevrolet HHR
Saturn Sky
Pontiac Solstice

they are all on the same chassis.
The Astra was saddled with the smaller Euro-sourced 1.8L Ecotec. The rest received North American corporate engines from the LSJ 2.0L SC, the LNF 2.0L TC, the 2.4VVT, and the 2.2L L61.

Pontiac Vibe= Toyota Matrix
(under the auspices of NUMMI)

my chevy towed a vw