It's not up to employees what is offered, it's up to employers (unless they have a contract otherwise). That's why we don't simply let employees decide. Don't like it? Get a new job. Want a raise? Too bad, we don't let employees simply vote on that either (unless their government employees).

Mutant, I don't see how your claim that government control of public school is Constitutional has any merit since it's not mentioned in the Constitution.

I don't have any moral objection to insurance, just an objection to forcing people to purchase it against their will. I also have an objection to paying for those who make the decision not to get insurance.

I'd also bet that dead end street isn't being plowed or paved by a mandate or funds from the federal government.

Posted by MrGreenJeans Mutant, I don't see how your claim that government control of public school is Constitutional has any merit since it's not mentioned in the Constitution.

The issue was your paying for public schools. Check the 16th Amendment.

Good point Mutant, I'll concede that one to ya. Maybe the government can take income taxes and pay for contraceptives and abortions for everyone?

Finally you're talking sense.

Or better yet just expect people to be responsible enough to pay for their own mistakes with their own money. It's not like a box of condoms is priced out of reach of anyone with a job.

And there we go.. back on topic... the Catholic church's plan to produce large numbers of stupid people, all as part of their plan to continue bathing in kid genitals.

We all know atheists are the smartest people around, just ask one! And atheists never molest children. Why resort to Catholic bashing rather than discuss the actual merits of forcing individuals to pay for others contraceptives against their moral objections? Not to mention the fact that Catholics are not the only religious group to be against this.

Contrary to the atheists claims that Catholics are "stupid" there is a long heritage of brilliant Catholics from Copernicus to Pasteur, including Nobel Prize winners.

Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth.

Posted by MrGreenJeans Why resort to Catholic bashing rather than discuss the actual merits of forcing individuals to pay for others contraceptives against their moral objections?

I was simply agreeing with you. You pointed out how anyone with the basic intelligence to hold a job would not reproduce.

Posted by MrGreenJeans It's not like a box of condoms is priced out of reach of anyone with a job.

Posted by MrGreenJeans Why resort to Catholic bashing rather than discuss the actual merits of forcing individuals to pay for others contraceptives against their moral objections?

You're also forcing people to pay for, say, high-cholesterol medicine, when many people have moral objections to activities that raise one's cholesterol (eating meat), for example. See where this can lead? Also, would including birth control pill coverage and IUD's (does anyone get IUD's anymore?) to your health plan raise your premiums? I doubt it. I don't think we're talking about coupons for free condoms here. We're talking about things you need a prescription for.

Contrary to the atheists claims that Catholics are "stupid" there is a long heritage of brilliant Catholics from Copernicus to Pasteur, including Nobel Prize winners.

Very true, but if they had followed the dictates of their church they would never had made their discoveries. It's when one breaks away from superstition that great discoveries are made. Religion poisons everything.

Yeah, and there is the whole thing about being forced to pay for the government to kill people, which would generally be against a Catholic's moral objections.

Which church dictates say you cannot make discoveries?

You may need a prescription for certain contraceptives, but you do not need them. Don't have sex, buy a condom or purchase them yourself. You don't need insurance to get prescriptions. This isn't a simple health matter, it's a religious matter. Comparing it to cholesterol medicine is nonsense.

If you're suggesting warfare is somehow taxes used for government sponsored murder, look up "just war theory", though I'm sure you don't really care what religions actually think about it. The idea is a whole different topic, it doesn't have anything to do with Catholics being forced to pay for contraceptives and abortions.

Posted by MrGreenJeans If you're suggesting warfare is somehow taxes used for government sponsored murder, look up "just war theory", though I'm sure you don't really care what religions actually think about it. The idea is a whole different topic, it doesn't have anything to do with Catholics being forced to pay for contraceptives and abortions.

No, can't say as I do "care what religions actually think about it," since that is not even a cogent sentence.

You can also look up lots of things about how people use the Bible to justify greed and selfishness, so whatevs.

Posted by MutantMandias No, can't say as I do "care what religions actually think about it," since that is not even a cogent sentence. You can also look up lots of things about how people use the Bible to justify greed and selfishness, so whatevs.

Greed and selfishness are not bad things. I hate that everyone assumes they are.

Posted by jeepdave Greed and selfishness are not bad things. I hate that everyone assumes they are.

spoken like a true republican... you masturbate to photos of Milton Friedman?

Posted by Samurai you masturbate to photos of Milton Friedman?

Of course not. He has some class, after all.

He only faps to pictures of Mandias.

Posted by Samurai spoken like a true republican... you masturbate to photos of Milton Friedman?

Spoken like a true liberal... Come one Sam, tell me why those are bad things. Those are the things that get shit done. Like it or not, good intentions never fed anyone. There is always a catch.

Posted by HarvestmanMan Of course not. He has some class, after all. He only faps to pictures of Mandias.

Only certain pictures.

Posted by jeepdave Only certain pictures.

This one:



But only communists don't always pay for sex. Words from dirt.

Posted by earthworm This one: http://www.i-mocke...ardoz/zardoz05.jpg But only communists don't always pay for sex. Words from dirt.

Pretty funny, since before I was mutantMandias, I used to go by King Zardoz, but there are a disturbingly large number of King Zardoz's out there.

Posted by MrGreenJeans Which church dictates say you cannot make discoveries?

None, but if those discoveries run counter to church teachings you run the risk of being excommunicated or worse. Galileo, for daring suggest that the Earth goes around the Sun, was placed under house arrest, and it wasn't until 1992 that the church finally admitted he was right. Yes, 20 years ago. And there are still those that deny objective reality: http://galileowaswrong.blogspot.com/
For more modern examples, go to Amazon and read the reviews of some books on the origin of the universe.

You may need a prescription for certain contraceptives, but you do not need them. Don't have sex, buy a condom or purchase them yourself. You don't need insurance to get prescriptions. This isn't a simple health matter, it's a religious matter. Comparing it to cholesterol medicine is nonsense.

Yes, and you can have nothing but rice and tea for dinner for the rest of your life, too. I take it you're not in a relationship. Sure, you could buy condoms, and until 2004 when I had my vasectomy, that's what I did. And I paid for them using my flexible spending account. Unfortunately, French Ticklers weren't covered. But if I worked at a Catholic university, I couldn't have done that, or gotten my vasectomy covered by insurance.

If you're suggesting warfare is somehow taxes used for government sponsored murder, look up "just war theory", though I'm sure you don't really care what religions actually think about it. The idea is a whole different topic, it doesn't have anything to do with Catholics being forced to pay for contraceptives and abortions.

I am quite familiar with the concept of a just war. In my opinion, the US has not engage in one since the 1940s. A lot of people agree with me, but that doesn't give me the right to withhold my taxes because of it.