Posted by MrGreenJeans lexi, get over it. If sex is painful don't have it. And don't use some bs about condom "material" making it worse.

Spoken like a true virgin who lives in his mom's basement. How's Rosy?

nice comeback splumer lol couldn't think of anything better???

Posted by MrGreenJeans ???

Certainly not three question marks better.

Posted by MrGreenJeans nice comeback splumer lol couldn't think of anything better???

Sure I can:

You are indeed cheated and deceived by falsehood, and that is what all like you deserve.

You are the most insane heretic and ingrafter of heretical perversity.

What light can there be in heads that hold such tangible darkness?

You are a coarse devil who hurts me but little.

Your words are so foolishly and ignorantly composed that I cannot believe you understand them.

It is presumptuous for people who are as ignorant as you are not to take up the work of a herdsman.

I'll be here all week, folks. Be sure to tip your bartender!

http://ergofabulous.org/luther/

Posted by splumer Sure I can: You are indeed cheated and deceived by falsehood, and that is what all like you deserve. You are the most insane heretic and ingrafter of heretical perversity. What light can there be in heads that hold such tangible darkness? You are a coarse devil who hurts me but little. Your words are so foolishly and ignorantly composed that I cannot believe you understand them. It is presumptuous for people who are as ignorant as you are not to take up the work of a herdsman. I'll be here all week, folks. Be sure to tip your bartender! http://ergofabulous.org/luther/

i think that a simple "because you're an ignorant, intolerant asshole" would've sufficed. this greenjeans asshole is a fucking troll.

At least I'm not a queer, like you Sam, or a child murderer.

Nice try splum, but couldn't you come up with anything yourself? It's kind of funny you chose to pull quotes from a recognized anti-semite like Martin Luther in a lame attempt to make yourself seem intelligent.

Question marks are free, so why not use three???

How often do you beat your wife???

Posted by MrGreenJeans At least I'm not a queer, like you Sam, or a child murderer.

nope. you're an ignorant asshole that everyone here feels nothing but revulsion and pity for. It's 2012, monkeyboy, not 1950.

Posted by MrGreenJeans At least I'm not a queer, like you Sam, or a child murderer. Nice try splum, but couldn't you come up with anything yourself? It's kind of funny you chose to pull quotes from a recognized anti-semite like Martin Luther in a lame attempt to make yourself seem intelligent. Question marks are free, so why not use three???

Description of Ad Hominem
Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting).

Posted by Samurai nope. you're an ignorant asshole that everyone here feels nothing but revulsion and pity for. It's 2012, monkeyboy, not 1950.

I bet you feel more than revulsion and pity, Sam. Admit it.

Posted by MrGreenJeans I bet you feel more than revulsion and pity, Sam. Admit it.

you're right... you disgust me.

Posted by MrGreenJeans At least I'm not a queer, like you Sam, or a child murderer.

I'll take a hundred Sams over one of you any day. At least Sam bases his ideas and opinions on demonstrable facts, rather than bigoted assumptions.

Nice try splum, but couldn't you come up with anything yourself? It's kind of funny you chose to pull quotes from a recognized anti-semite like Martin Luther in a lame attempt to make yourself seem intelligent. Question marks are free, so why not use three???

The thing is, I find all of those insults applicable to you. Yeah, I can come up with my own insults for you, but I don't find you worth the effort.

Posted by MrGreenJeans At least I'm not a queer, like you Sam, or a child murderer.

I think this nicely demonstrates his position. We can draw from this that he is bigoted and scared, and only capable of hyperbole without any facts or reasoning.

I'm not gay, but I might point out that these type of comments from someone who is clearly intellectually challenged should be far less demeaning and offensive to homosexuals (or any rational human) than other more rational and important people who feel the need to condemn any one for sexual preference and lifestyle choices.

Is anyone really surprised that this little internet troll is scared and lashing out at things he clearly does not comprehend?

I have yet to see a good rational argument that demonstrates that sexual activity is immoral or unethical when it involves consenting adults.

Sexual activity is gratifying and pleasurable. It can also be procreative and entertaining.

There is potential for harm in the form of unwanted pregnancy or STDs, however technology and education have been proven to be extremely effective at reducing or eliminating harm. one only has to look as far as liberal democracies such as sweden and the unwanted pregnancy rates and rates of STDs.

The arguments for controlling or limiting sexual activity all claim to be for moral or ethical reasons or to reduce harm, yet they all boil to down to religious dogma that seeks to limit pleasure and reduce technological enablers or any spread of knowledge that is contrary to their iron age teachings.

Religious organizations like the cathoholic church spend millions to fight sexual education, contraceptive or prophylactic measures - and then point to the results as proof that sexual activity is immoral and harmful. I would claim the opposite is true.


It seems antithetical to reduce human wellbeing and happiness and claim the moral high ground - particularly since no evidence is offered to support this position.

No amount of rational demonstration or name calling will change his mind or assuage his fear or even to help him pray away the latent gay.

Why don't we just begin to ignore his posts when they invoke offensive slurs and baseless demonization of his fellow human beings, and only respond to rational arguments.

Most of the skeptics here and some of the credulous among us are willing to listen and disagree rationally. This crap can wilt and die on the vine if we let it.

I usually try to stay clear of these convos cause I'm chalk full of opinions but I just can't. At first I was wow'd that the whole thread was filled with almost only men and opinions, which is always fascinating to me, and then came Lexi with her sharing of two very personal things on here. A huge KUDOS to you for that BTW <3. Revolting that some of what was said was ripped apart.

Really glad MrGreenJeans has been banned. Wow. There is nothing else I'm gonna waste my time saying but good riddance all around.

Anyway, my two cents based on the original question - absolutely it should be offered! There would be a whole lotta more huge Catholic families with a whole lot more babies if they weren't already using contraceptives! Just cover it, the cost is small, the benefits can be exponential. Oral contraceptives aren't just used solely to prevent pregnancy, they can do so many different things to benefit women, same as other forms of contraceptives as not everyone can use the same thing...... Some popele need to take their heads out of their asses.

Posted by Samurai you're an ignorant asshole that everyone here feels nothing but revulsion and pity for.

Wait, we were supposed to feel pity for this douchebag?

Posted by HarvestmanMan Wait, we were supposed to feel pity for this douchebag?

in a weird way, i do.

Posted by Samurai in a weird way, i do.

Pity that his Mom didn't use contraceptives?

Or pity that his mind is so closed?

Any man that claims you shouldn't have sex with someone you're in love with is either very lonely or very crazy. Probably both.

I did have my fair share of guilt following my abortion, but I know I did it for the right reasons. When I was that age I didn't have a social life - instead I was studying on my lunch breaks by myself. I terminated my pregnancy because I wanted to work hard in high school, then university, so that one day, should I choose to have a child, I can properly provide for it.

I know I don't have to prove anything to anybody but I feel like I should at least set the record straight with people I consider my friends and equals.

Also, I am pretty much allergic to everything. The sun, bandaids, soaps/detergents, wool, some chemical treatments on leather/suede, etc etc. The list goes on. Just because condoms are made out of various materials doesn't mean that it's easy for me to find something that works. My dyspareunia leaves my labia feeling raw and sore to the touch, and rubbing synthetic materials against them isn't really something I prefer to do. Much more natural to just keep it skin on skin. The argument could be made that sex isn't everything in a relationship, but to me it's incredibly important. There's nothing that really replaces that intimacy.

I'm so glad that troll of a human being has been banned. So much hatred from one keyboard cowboy. Good riddance.

Also also, thanks L'Ali <3

I have no sympathy for him. He's entitled to his opinions, but when you can't back up outrageous claims with facts, you can fuck off, as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by Lexi I know I don't have to prove anything to anybody but I feel like I should at least set the record straight with people I consider my friends and equals.

I, for one, appreciate your candor. <hugs>

Posted by Lexi Any man that claims you shouldn't have sex with someone you're in love with is either very lonely or very crazy. Probably both. I did have my fair share of guilt following my abortion, but I know I did it for the right reasons. When I was that age I didn't have a social life - instead I was studying on my lunch breaks by myself. I terminated my pregnancy because I wanted to work hard in high school, then university, so that one day, should I choose to have a child, I can properly provide for it. I know I don't have to prove anything to anybody but I feel like I should at least set the record straight with people I consider my friends and equals. Also, I am pretty much allergic to everything. The sun, bandaids, soaps/detergents, wool, some chemical treatments on leather/suede, etc etc. The list goes on. Just because condoms are made out of various materials doesn't mean that it's easy for me to find something that works. My dyspareunia leaves my labia feeling raw and sore to the touch, and rubbing synthetic materials against them isn't really something I prefer to do. Much more natural to just keep it skin on skin. The argument could be made that sex isn't everything in a relationship, but to me it's incredibly important. There's nothing that really replaces that intimacy. I'm so glad that troll of a human being has been banned. So much hatred from one keyboard cowboy. Good riddance. Also also, thanks L'Ali <3

Lexi, baby, that's more honesty than many people can handle.