Turns out god did do it.


http://www.abc.net...htm?section=justin

I thought Kashima just let Namazu out for a walk.

I wonder what Fred Phelps thinks about this?

Posted by tekriter Turns out god did do it. http://www.abc.net...htm?section=justin I thought Kashima just let Namazu out for a walk. I wonder what Fred Phelps thinks about this?

one of my crazy religious co workers said this saturday. she said since they are not christians god is punishing them and this is the beginning of the end times. i just said yeah ok, and walked away.

I agree. Crazy.

But she was, strictly speaking, being theologically correct. The christian god does wish them dead.

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." Deuteronomy 13:6-10

One of my wife's FB friends said her pastor was saying this is yet another sign that we are in the End Times. I said "An earthquake in the most seismically active country on Earth? Who knew?"

Posted by tekriter I agree. Crazy. But she was, strictly speaking, being theologically correct. The christian god does wish them dead. "If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." Deuteronomy 13:6-10

That is, if your idea of "theologically correct" means "taking everything in the Bible literally".
You seem to be lumping all Christian religions under the belief that the Bible should be taken word-for-word.

What's more, I see you're a firm believer that the Bible was written by men and not by divine inspiration, which makes it fallible. What you're arguing doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by HarvestmanFail That is, if your idea of "theologically correct" means "taking everything in the Bible literally". You seem to be lumping all Christian religions under the belief that the Bible should be taken word-for-word. What's more, I see you're a firm believer that the Bible was written by men and not by divine inspiration, which makes it fallible. What you're arguing doesn't make sense to me.

Its a lost cause, its damn near impossible to have a conversation with Tek on religion. He is right, you are wrong. Thats the only possible outcome. Just a friendly warning.

Posted by jeepdave Its a lost cause, its damn near impossible to have a conversation with Tek on religion. He is right, you are wrong. Thats the only possible outcome. Just a friendly warning.

um... let's not go there.
so far, tekriter is the only one that has offered up a cogent argument.
intellectually, the cat has it all in one sock and we could take lessons from his style.

Well the fact of the matter is, its in NO WAY WHATSOEVER ok to push your religion on anyone. Heck, even saying you think any religion is the right one for you personally is beyond rude, it's stupid... only a moron would do it.. And if you are Islamic, then obviously you are a HUGE THREAT to all living things on earth that hold peace with any regard.

However it is perfectly ok to push atheism on every last person on the planet

So to wrap up this summary of the past month on the religion board...

Saying you believe in god in any way is wrong and downright offensive and just plain dumb, but being militant about the fact that you dont think god is real is perfectly ok and not in any way hypocritical.

Posted by maypost However it is perfectly ok to push atheism on every last person on the planet

absolutely.
it's because we're right and you're all nuts.

hey, don't even go there about hypocrisy... organized religion has had the lockdown on that action!

to summarize this board to counter your summary:

some people have beliefs because they have to. no reason why, it just makes them feel better... i'll call it the god wooby. Then there are those of who have no need for the god wooby and the see rest of you with the god wooby and wonder, wtf is wrong with you people? So naturally, it's our job to fuck with your wooby with our scissors of disbelief, a nastiness that I take a perverse enjoyment with. You bitch and moan about it. we bitch and moan about you. And round and round we go...

i say there is no god.
you guys say there is a god.
i think you're nuts.
you think i am an asshole.
i am an asshole, but there is still no god and you're all still nuts.

but i love you anyway as long as you keep the fucking crucifix out of my face.

Posted by Samurai the cat has it all in one sock

wait, what?

Posted by HarvestmanFail That is, if your idea of "theologically correct" means "taking everything in the Bible literally". You seem to be lumping all Christian religions under the belief that the Bible should be taken word-for-word. What's more, I see you're a firm believer that the Bible was written by men and not by divine inspiration, which makes it fallible. What you're arguing doesn't make sense to me.

Bwa ha ha! Fresh meat!

My reply: The evidence strongly suggests that it was written by people. There is no evidence that it was "divinely inspired" except that one or more of the authors might have said "Hm, I think I'll right something religious." Using what is written in the Bible as evidence that it was divinely inspired is fallacious reasoning. Any evidence for its divine inspiration, to be credible, must be independent.

Posted by splumer Bwa ha ha! Fresh meat! My reply: The evidence strongly suggests that it was written by people. There is no evidence that it was "divinely inspired" except that one or more of the authors might have said "Hm, I think I'll right something religious." Using what is written in the Bible as evidence that it was divinely inspired is fallacious reasoning. Any evidence for its divine inspiration, to be credible, must be independent.

Well, of course it was written by people. What's the alternative?

Also, I wasn't trying to argue anything using the Bible. It's just that tekriter seems to be using the Bible as evidence for an argument of his when he clearly doesn't believe in it.

Posted by Samurai absolutely. it's because we're right and you're all nuts. hey, don't even go there about hypocrisy... organized religion has had the lockdown on that action! to summarize this board to counter your summary: some people have beliefs because they have to. no reason why, it just makes them feel better... i'll call it the god wooby. Then there are those of who have no need for the god wooby and the see rest of you with the god wooby and wonder, wtf is wrong with you people? So naturally, it's our job to fuck with your wooby with our scissors of disbelief, a nastiness that I take a perverse enjoyment with. You bitch and moan about it. we bitch and moan about you. And round and round we go... i say there is no god. you guys say there is a god. i think you're nuts. you think i am an asshole. i am an asshole, but there is still no god and you're all still nuts. but i love you anyway as long as you keep the fucking crucifix out of my face.

See? there is nothing wrong with that statement. Basically you believe what you believe and the same goes for everyone else, just dont be pushy with it... at least thats the crux that I am taking from that... and it's 100% right

Posted by HarvestmanFail wait, what?

you don't shit in socks?

Good story. Strong plot, excellent narrative structure, compelling characters. Written by seriously manic psychotics. That's about it.

Next...

Fucking writers

Posted by maypost Fucking writers

if there is a god, do you ever suppose that he/she/it looks on from heaven at the shit being perpetrated in it's name and does a huge facepalm? Ever think that if there is a god that he calls up the devil and says, 'dude, these people are just as fucked up as your folks.'

Posted by Samurai if there is a god, do you ever suppose that he/she/it looks on from heaven at the shit being perpetrated in it's name and does a huge facepalm? Ever think that if there is a god that he calls up the devil and says, 'dude, these people are just as fucked up as your folks.'

Yes. I guarantee it.

Posted by HarvestmanFail That is, if your idea of "theologically correct" means "taking everything in the Bible literally". You seem to be lumping all Christian religions under the belief that the Bible should be taken word-for-word.

Some christian sects believe the bible is infallible, others claim to have the only right way to "interpret" it. I would not lumpo them all together except to point out that neither option is reasonable.

Why does it need to be interpreted? Should not an omnipotent god be able to just say what he meant?

Choosing which parts to believe is theologically bankrupt, just like Joseph Smith and his flip flopping on polygamy, and any other issue he needed a different opinion on.

Taking the entire book literally seems to be the only theologically correct choice, however the endless contradictions and errors are difficult to account for.

You seem to suggest a more "moderate" approach.

Where is the chapter on exactly how to interpret the bible?

What parts are literal? What parts are allegorical? What parts are just plain wrong and should be ignored? Don't the clearly wrong parts have a negative impact on the credibility of the other parts?

Posted by HarvestmanFail What's more, I see you're a firm believer that the Bible was written by men and not by divine inspiration, which makes it fallible. What you're arguing doesn't make sense to me.

Of course it was written by men, and of course it is fallible. There is ample evidence of this. It is also heavily redacted and edited by men, and translated by men.


There is no evidence, however that there was any divine inspiration. That is pure speculation and wishful thinking.


In the absence of any other clear explanation, or guide to interpretation, should we not look to a religion's sacred texts to determine what they believe?

Posted by HarvestmanFail It's just that tekriter seems to be using the Bible as evidence for an argument of his when he clearly doesn't believe in it.

I believe that our collective religious intuitions about the universe are mutually incompatible with living together in peace.

What lessons should we take from the following?

2 Chronicles 15:13
Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned