Posted by Mr_Fiend Ugh.... Bad things happen for a reason. You get nations and areas that are anti God, then His blessing and protection is lifted off of them, which allows the other force (Satan) to have his way and claim souls. That's in the bible too, but no one cares to talk about that. It will only get worse. So you ask, what about the innocent people who where killed, who we not "anti-God"? Well who is to say God didn't try speaking to them, or everyone for that matter and they simply were not listening because they were too stubborn. That's also in the bible. Think back on all the areas around the world hit by major "acts of nature", lets say in the past 10 years. Funny how all of those areas have turned away from God more so than other places. Bad things happen because there is someone out there other than God who wants your soul, and he wants your soul because he hates God and does not want Him to have it. God knows this, and has tried to warn people since the time of Adam and Eve. Guess what, they didnt listen, and so God's presence was lifted off of them. It's a very basic principle conveyed throughout the bible. You dont listen to God, bad things happen, and Satan has free roam. This isn't just my "opinion", it has been written down for thousands of years. But of course, if you refuse to believe, you will suffer, watch other people suffer, be confused and not ever know why. What a horrible life, but it doesnt have to be that way...

The Bible, it seems certain, was the work of sand-strewn men and women who thought the earth was flat and for whom a wheelbarrow would have been a breathtaking example of emerging technology.

A close study of these books, and of history, demonstrates that there is no act of cruelty so appalling that it cannot be justified, or even mandated, by recourse to their pages.

Oh, yeah, what about New Orleans? The Gulf Oil Spill? Columbine?

Posted by tekriter Oh, yeah, what about New Orleans? The Gulf Oil Spill? Columbine?

To add another one, H1N1? That killed almost 12,000 people. Which as of now, is more than this earthquake.

I refuse to believe that God is a vengeful asshole, who only worries about who is in his fan club, and coming up with ways to punish and kill those who are not in it. To assume that God did this bc they are not Christians is childish and arrogant.

On top of that, Japan allows for religious freedom and even do major celebrations for christmas. in fact there is a decent sized christian population.

Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby To add another one, H1N1? That killed almost 12,000 people. Which as of now, is more than this earthquake. I refuse to believe that God is a vengeful asshole, who only worries about who is in his fan club, and coming up with ways to punish and kill those who are not in it. To assume that God did this bc they are not Christians is childish and arrogant. On top of that, Japan allows for religious freedom and even do major celebrations for christmas. in fact there is a decent sized christian population.

I agree and I'll go one step further:

Those views demonstrate the divisive nature of religion.

Further to that, before I decided that large swaths of the population deserved torture and death, I would like to have more evidence than superstition and an iron age book.

Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby last 10 years, so 9/11 counts? thankfully God struck down the very unchristian USA!!! oh wait...

Um, no. You need to get rid of your pre-misconceptions of 2% of the "Christians" out there. I dont "thank God" for the deaths of people in these events, especially since HE didnt kill them, the planes flown by anti-God terrorists did. You read what you wanted to hear. And yes 9/11 counts, that WHOLE event was caused and based on good and evil. God and Satan and their fighting loyalists. Understanding and reading the bible, opens your eyes as to why these things happen, AND how to prevent them!

Posted by Mr_Fiend Um, no. You need to get rid of your pre-misconceptions of 2% of the "Christians" out there. I dont "thank God" for the deaths of people in these events, especially since HE didnt kill them, the planes flown by anti-God terrorists did. You read what you wanted to hear. And yes 9/11 counts, that WHOLE event was caused and based on good and evil. God and Satan and their fighting loyalists. Understanding and reading the bible, opens your eyes as to why these things happen, AND how to prevent them!

you know the "anti-God" terrorist were doing it for Allah, their name for God. SO what if they are right and you wrong? They read their holy book and decided that it said to fly planes in infidels in the US. The way I see it is, Bible (the US) vs the Koran (middle east) and the Koran won! They got through our God defenses and killed thousands. Sounds to me if God was really messing in such affairs he would've stopped it. You could say he stop flight 93, why didn't he stop the others?

heres the answer, bc God doesn't really care about our day to day lives. God gave us free will. If he kept intervening in everything, then what free will do we have?

Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby you know the "anti-God" terrorist were doing it for Allah, their name for God.

Yeah, THEIR word for THEIR God. Allah is not the God of Abraham (the God of the Christians)

Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby heres the answer, bc God doesn't really care about our day to day lives. God gave us free will. If he kept intervening in everything, then what free will do we have?

Wow, guess when the bible mentions that God loves hundreds of times, it must mean He hates you.

Posted by tekriter Oh, yeah, what about New Orleans? The Gulf Oil Spill? Columbine?

You cant be serious. Oh wait, you are. It's sad that you with all your intellect cant see that New Orleans could easily be compared to Sodom and Gomorrah, with it's parties and rampid immorality. And we all know what happened in the bible to that city.

WTF, gulf oil spill???? Some guys made a mistake, shit happens...

Columbine???? Some guys hated life so much that they went on a killing spree, also specifically targeting Christians. Killing one girl after they asked if she was a Christians, guess what answer she gave them.

and H1N1???? its called death and sin, we're under a curse! Read Genesis! The fall of man. Or rather try to understand the Word of God instead of picking it apart like its some little toy. Its black and white.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Yeah, THEIR word for THEIR God. Allah is not the God of Abraham (the God of the Christians) Wow, guess when the bible mentions that God loves hundreds of times, it must mean He hates you. Or rather try to understand the Word of God instead of picking it apart like its some little toy. Its black and white.

are you wearing clothing of two different fabrics?

Leviticus 19:19

"'Keep my decrees. "'Do not mate different kinds of animals. "'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. "'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

have you had pre martial sex?
1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

have you ever said oh my god?
Exodus 20:7

“You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.

do you eat food from pigs?
Leviticus 11:1-47

And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, “Speak to the people of Israel, saying, These are the living things that you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth. Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat. Nevertheless, among those that chew the cud or part the hoof, you shall not eat these: The camel, because it chews the cud but does not part the hoof, is unclean to you. And the rock badger, because it chews the cud but does not part the hoof, is unclean to you. ...

What in the world are you getting at?? Lets try and stay on topic here

Posted by Mr_Fiend Um, no. You need to get rid of your pre-misconceptions of 2% of the "Christians" out there. I dont "thank God" for the deaths of people in these events, especially since HE didnt kill them, the planes flown by anti-God terrorists did. You read what you wanted to hear. And yes 9/11 counts, that WHOLE event was caused and based on good and evil. God and Satan and their fighting loyalists. Understanding and reading the bible, opens your eyes as to why these things happen, AND how to prevent them!

http://www.msnbc.m...-crime_and_courts/


I guess no bible thumpers were on duty to prevent these kids from getting diddled.


Mebbe those kids were at mardi gras (is new orleans sodom or gomorrah?) and earned a good ass rape.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Allah is not the God of Abraham (the God of the Christians)

O RLY?

Posted by Mr_Fiend It's a very basic principle conveyed throughout the bible. You dont listen to God, bad things happen, and Satan has free roam. This isn't just my "opinion", it has been written down for thousands of years.

Or, listen to God, and God says, "Meh. Satan can fuck you anyway."

It has also been written down for many more years, and from widely divergent cultures, that the earth rests on a turtle's back. Must be true!

Posted by tekriter I guess no bible thumpers were on duty to prevent these kids from getting diddled. Mebbe those kids were at mardi gras (is new orleans sodom or gomorrah?) and earned a good ass rape.

Real mature.

Why do I have to keep explaining things that are already in the book that you keep quoting?? We are all born into sin, and therefore when we dont allow God to protect us by giving our hearts to Him, SHIT HAPPENS! Doesnt matter who you are or what you did, without God, you're prime meat for Satan.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Real mature. Why do I have to keep explaining things that are already in the book that you keep quoting?? We are all born into sin, and therefore when we dont allow God to protect us by giving our hearts to Him, SHIT HAPPENS! Doesnt matter who you are or what you did, without God, you're prime meat for Satan.

Please, would you tell me (after explaining how Allah is not the Christian God), what you know about Satan, and how you know it?

I would love to be educated by such an erudite expert on the subject.

Posted by Mr_Fiend What in the world are you getting at?? Lets try and stay on topic here

Well you did bring up what it says in the bible.

You just failed to say what sections you refer to.

The other possibility is that you didn't read the book and just got the cole's notes version from the Westboro Baptist Church website.

It says pretty much the same thing you are - only it actually provides the quotes.

Posted by Mr_Fiend What in the world are you getting at?? Lets try and stay on topic here

I am staying on topic. you said the bible has to be followed and cant be picked apart. so i seeing how much of true christian you are or if you are another hypochristian. bc if you are not following the rules.laws of teh bible then you deserve to die as a way of God teaching a lesson? correct? if i were God I would be much more bothered by people who pretend to be christians, and give them a bad name, instead of people who just don't believe.


also welcome to the religion board, we don't stay on topic for too long.

Posted by MutantMandias Please, would you tell me (after explaining how Allah is not the Christian God), what you know about Satan, and how you know it? I would love to be educated by such an erudite expert on the subject.

Um, first of, I had a first hand experience with almost being taken over by an evil spirit. Litteraly felt the essence of my being or soul, being pull into some sort of dark place. An experience I wouldnt wish on anyone. So thats how I KNOW there is evil. Satan is/was angel who wanted to be better than God and no longer wanted to obey Him. So God threw him out. Now he obviously hates God like a bratty little kid who didnt get his way. And he will do anything he can to destroy what God created. The true definition of hate.

Posted by tekriter The other possibility is that you didn't read the book and just got the cole's notes version from the Westboro Baptist Church website. It says pretty much the same thing you are - only it actually provides the quotes.

Ha! Haha! I'd be offended, but you're just ignorant, so it's ok. Westboro doesnt believe that God loves everyone. And Gods definition of love is giving you choice, even if it means you choose to disobey Him. They dont believe that, which is why they are so lost.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Yeah, THEIR word for THEIR God. Allah is not the God of Abraham (the God of the Christians)

Didn't we go over this already? What would it take to convince you that Allah is the Arabic word for God and that Islam is one of the three Abrahamic religions? I mean, this is a point of fact, not someone's interpretation.

You cant be serious. Oh wait, you are. It's sad that you with all your intellect cant see that New Orleans could easily be compared to Sodom and Gomorrah, with it's parties and rampid immorality. And we all know what happened in the bible to that city.

Sure it could be compared to Sodom, but what do you make of all the churches that were destroyed by Katrina? All the God-loving, good Christians who lost their homes, jobs or lives? According to Pat Robertson, they were punished because they didn't sufficiently fight the immorality in their city. I'll leave the question of the children who died alone for now.

Let's examine other centers for sin, shall we? San Francisco, Provincetown, MA and Lakewood, OH, are all well-known as gay-friendly towns. SF obviously has seen a few earthquakes, but, last time I checked, is still standing. P-town is obviously a great target for a freak hurricane (I say "freak" because they rarely go that far north because of the colder water). Lakewood was struck by a tornado in 1968, which was odd, being right along Lake Erie, but that was before it became the midwest gay mecca. Logically, God should have hit these cities.

Then there's Amsterdam and Copenhagen. Those places would even make me blush. They're still here.

Japan is the most seismically active country on Earth. New Orleans lies mostly below sea level and is in a prime hurricane region. Both events were really just a matter of time. Technically, though, Katrina was centered on Mississippi, not NO.

I will predict right here and now, that another quake will hit Japan, and another hurricane will hit NO.

Posted by Mr_Fiend anti-God terrorists

Awesome.

But wrong. Most fundies know this stuff.

"Think not of those who are killed in the way of Allah as dead. Nay, they are alive with their Lord, and they are being provided for. They rejoice in what Allah has bestowed upon them from His bounty and rejoice for the sake of those who have not yet joined them, but are left behind (not yet martyred) that on them no fear shall come, nor shall they grieve. They rejoice in a grace and a bounty from Allah, and that Allah will not waste the reward of the believers." [Quran 3:169-171]

This passage was quoted by Osama in his open letter to america.

Allah means "god". The god of abraham. all muslims trace thier origins through ishmael back to Abraham. If I'm not mistaken the jews might have something to do with the abraham guy - maybe that's why they call Islam, x-tianity and judaism the Abrahamic religions.



Of course this passage and many like it in the bible don't have a lot to do with living together in peace, so it makes perfect sense that those who don't believe in your god can be considered sub-human and deserving of torture.

Sigh, none of it matters, the best thing the Devil could ever do is make you believe he doesn't exist. adiós amigos.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Um, first of, I had a first hand experience with almost being taken over by an evil spirit. Litteraly felt the essence of my being or soul, being pull into some sort of dark place. An experience I wouldnt wish on anyone. So thats how I KNOW there is evil. Satan is/was angel who wanted to be better than God and no longer wanted to obey Him. So God threw him out. Now he obviously hates God like a bratty little kid who didnt get his way. And he will do anything he can to destroy what God created. The true definition of hate.

I'm sorry dude. I didn't know you were just making a joke. It's like those onion articles where it sounds like a real article until you get to the part about your soul getting sucked out.

Who ya gonna call?

Someday I'll tell you how I know evil exists, but I don't want to spoil the funnies. My gut hurts. I have to go pee now.

Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby if i were God I would be much more bothered by people who pretend to be christians, and give them a bad name, instead of people who just don't believe.

Um, actually God mentions how if you are "luke warm for Him", neither hot nor cold, He will spit you out of His mouth. So if you are a hypocritical christian, that is worse than being a lost sinner (of which He says He loves). So if you were God, you'd be correct.


And now your are tying to judge me based on my beliefs of which you dont believe in? I'm sorry, I wont humor you.